Those health risks exist for pregnancy regardless of whether the pregnancy is a surrogate pregnancy, a pregnancy inside of marriage, or a pregnancy outside of marriage. I'm inclined to disagree with referring to surrogacy as renting as well, because the body part is not temporarily detached for - ThreadSky

ariaariza.bsky.social • 460 days ago

Those health risks exist for pregnancy regardless of whether the pregnancy is a surrogate pregnancy, a pregnancy inside of marriage, or a pregnancy outside of marriage.

I'm inclined to disagree with referring to surrogacy as renting as well, because the body part is not temporarily detached for

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ariaariza.bsky.social•460 days ago

someone else's use or otherwise made accessible to the person paying for surrogacy.

lizardky.bsky.social•460 days ago

This isn't something you can plug into a spreadsheet. It's *not* a matter of "which number is bigger", it's a matter of how you personally weigh and value moral choices, and the effect on the individual and society. There is no simple, objective, provably correct answer.

ariaariza.bsky.social•460 days ago

Could we, perhaps, dispense with the obfuscation of the situation by describing it in terms of different people's moralities and instead discuss the real world consequences?

There's people who think abortion is inherently immoral and would prefer both mother and child die in event of complications

ariaariza.bsky.social•460 days ago

with pregnancy.

Claiming to be morally opposed to abortion on the ground that "it kills babies" doesn't make them correct. Banning abortion demonstratably significantly increases the death rate of pregnant women without significantly decreasing the death rate of children who would have been aborted

ariaariza.bsky.social•460 days ago

due to pregnancy complications.

lizardky.bsky.social•460 days ago

2/2 However, I also acknowledge there's risks of negative effects to selling organs not present in abortion. Abortion affects only the mother, so it's much less anyone else's business.

ariaariza.bsky.social•460 days ago

Plus medical staff involved, same as with organ donation, and any related family who knew of the pregnancy.

My own opinion is that the mother should be able to decide, but there are cases of doctors being charged with murder over assisting in abortions.

lizardky.bsky.social•460 days ago

It's not obfuscation to say selling organs is complicated. I don't see how abortion relates, except to note that my personal stance is that "my body, my choice" extends to what I can do with my insides. 1/2

ariaariza.bsky.social•460 days ago

I don't think "how you personally value and weigh moral choices" has a whole lot to do with how complicated selling organs is, honestly.

ariaariza.bsky.social•460 days ago

Regardless, there is the fact that a surrogate mother might need an abortion during a surrogate pregnancy.

lizardky.bsky.social•460 days ago

It's complicated precisely *because* people have differing moral values and weigh some consequences more heavily than others.

If that wasn't the case, this wouldn't be an issue to discuss.

ariaariza.bsky.social•460 days ago

Then I think there are some cases where people's "moral values" should be kept well away from both government and medicine.

If someone has a moral objection to abortion, then they personally can refuse to get an abortion even if that kills them.

However, they should not prevent anyone else from

lizardky.bsky.social•460 days ago

The argument against paying for organs is that it induces people to take health risks they would otherwise not -- they won't voluntarily give up an organ, but they will for pay. The moral calculus is complex. How many people may die from selling an organ, vs. how many *won't* die from lack of one?

ariaariza.bsky.social•460 days ago

Assuming a one to one organ transfer between two humans- and setting aside for the moment alternative organ sources such as cloned or otherwise artificial organs- then that's one person who'll certainly die without the organ (the recipient) or two who may die if the surgery goes poorly (donor and

ariaariza.bsky.social•460 days ago

recipient).

If the two are biologically compatible and the surgeon is competent, the risk of death from surgery is very low.

If either of those conditions are false, going through the surgery would be medical malpractice.

There's no complex moral calculus involved in that.

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