Anyone can download your images and send it to ai at any time. If you trust them to not do that then you can probably also trust them to not use the ai app they have to specifically authorize to use.
Okay thanks for clarifying, I thought it was like smth discord had implemented like "this is our new ai in the app by default and it trains off of yr stuff"
it is in the app by default, but (allegedly) it only trains off things that people tell it to restyle. domoai is trying to claim it doesnt train off imgs, but theyre lying when they say that bc in order to create smthn from an img it has to go in the dataset.
Why even worry about this, it is just something you can get from app discovery so you can just not add it to your servers. I don't like AI myself but people are overreacting about this.
it's not just "something from the app discovery". it shows up as a button on every image you upload directly, completely circumvents the permissions on servers, and doesn't leave logs of it's activity. there is a way of catching it someone using it post factum, but that requires permissions to be on
the thing is... they're actively gaslighting people: if you pull up the Wayback machine you can see it *used* to say, plainly written out, that it was a partnership between Discord and DomoAI, something they are now trying to distance themselves from
That's probably because theyre still rolling it out, but its in both my servers that I own despite my not ever having added it. I'm the only one in those servers, too, so it's not like someone else could've added it. its integrated into the damn app.
the button in the top right corner, shows up when the message has been directly uploaded (so the file itself, not an embedded link). right in that menu, along with all the other AI crap
the screenshot provided is blatantly wrong in very very easily proveable ways lol. domo's been trying to scrub some of it out by pretending they never called it a partnership (for example) but a lot of it is very easy to see just by hovering over any image on discord.
most of us arent mad because "ooo spooky ai", were mad because nobody's found a way to get rid of it that also prevents people from using it. blocking it doesnt work and the damn things been integrated into the damn discord app.
the claim of a partnership between DomoAI and Discord IS true... it was silently edited out of the blog post to put some distance just as folks started to read it themselves; take a look on the Wayback Machine and you can see multiple edits within hours and days of each other...
Tech bros never respecting privacy and consent should make them all unfuckable lonely losers. It's always 'we added this new feature to invade your privacy' and 'no never show this, you can only say maybe later' and 'we lied about not doing this. We're doing it now regardless of what you say'
im genuinely shocked that your embed still has the original title. screenshotting for archival reasons so people can shut the fuck up about "its not a partnership".
all of these people are arguing over whether or not the bot is forced into your server, and frankly I think that's the least important thing here, if you don't want it in your server, use that ban command and prevent it from showing up EVER, regardless of whether it's been forced in or not
Baby's first muted thread. I misunderstood about the scraping, but this doesn't change the fact that Discord allows AI apps on its platform and ANYBODY in ANY SERVER can throw your art into the planet-destroying plagiarism meat grinder to spit out slop. Discord deserves to be flamed
Just an FYI that DomoAI themselves made some false claims in this article, and after they caught wind of the fire online, they changed the article in a lot of subtle ways to gaslight us. Let's try to be kind to one another instead of pointing fingers left and right (that's what the AI bros want)!
It wasn't entirely fake though. And there's plenty of good information in the comments. There's much better ways to go about this than "grow up, be an adult". Maybe encourage them to delete this post, or make a new post clarifying what went wrong? There's no need to be cruel about it.
They're not exactly wrong though. An "Oops, I misunderstood but they still suck anyway" is a poor attitude to have, & their anger toward Discord "allowing" it when literally anyone on any server can just copy/save images and feed them into an AI anyway without this. Technically, nothing has changed.
If they LEFT it as "Baby's first muted thread. I misunderstood about the scraping", they'd be perfectly fine. If they added "Anyone on your server can use it so be mindful of who is on your server", they'd still be fine. If they deleted all this cause its inaccurate, they'd be just as fine.
This doesn't seem to be a solution, & arguably a bad idea. Seems all this does is make the person using it get the results via DM as opposed to the bot blatantly posting on the server. At least on the server, the bot is doing a sort of "call out" post that reveals who used it, then you can ban them.
Disabling the ability to use / prompt commands may disable it, but that would also impact all the useful or fun bots, such as moderation bots, support ticket bots, Poketwo, etc.
The bot can't access the server if you disable external apps. Therefore someone would have to willingly take images to it.... Like art theft already does.
Glaze your images if you can't trust those in your server to not feed shit to ai. Glaze is free
I am unsure if it that is actually the case. Though if it does work, then I suppose the question would be the trade off. Most servers have bots running moderation, games, etc that would be disabled as well. So is losing those worth the trade off when peeps can still do it the "old fashioned way"?
Unfortunately, the reality we are in at this point is Glaze or Nightshade or whatever should pretty much be instinct for all artists. A sad but real world we are in now. Any posting of art anywhere: Discord, Telegram, DA, FA, Twitter, Facebook, BSky, Patreon, etc is vulnerable to getting fed to AI.
You are missing the entire point. Because this app was forced into every server and admins can't turn it off/opt out, there is no way for artists to share their art on their servers safely. It's not acceptable - I canceled my Nitro and I'm (agonizingly) looking for alternatives to discord.
That age old saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". Which means "you make enough noise about something, you're going to get attention". Well, discord doesn't have an ear over here.
Here's a question though. Why are people exploding on BlueSky, which discord DOES NOT USE, instead of taking it to Twitter and exploding Discords inbox with @s and dms about it until something gets done? Discord won't see the complaints here, so they won't know something's wrong. 🤷
No, ~you~ are missing the point. They can't turn it ~off~ because it needs to be turned ~on~ in the server settings. And yes, artwork can be shared safely, because the tool needs MANUAL actions by a USER to function.
You can prevent the AI bots from sending the *results* to your server. But artists *cannot prevent community members or users from using the AI apps* on images posted to their servers. So there is no way for artists to prevent a member of their server feeding their work directly into AI.
I am trying really hard to assume you're speaking in good faith and not a troll. Discord added the "Edit Image with Apps" context menu to *every* server. It is on by default and there is no server setting to toggle it. I have disabled *every* app setting. Server admins cannot remove it right now.
No, I'm not a troll. I'm a server owner with 600+ members, 150+ of those members are artists. After catching wind of this, my artist members panicked too. But after calmly explaining to them how it actually works, they calmed down. Y'all take this stuff on X\B.S and blow it into orbit.
Unfortunately, every creative platform has been purchased by tech bros using Venture Capital money. Even private websites are being bot scraped for AI ignoring All TOS rules. It's going to take more than shouting on SM. Fighting for regulation & class action is our only hope for accountability.
man sometimes i wish people could read
not saying ai art is good or anything hell no its just that the fear mongering is going crazy
domoai is an app, just like carl-bot or esmbot that people can use if the server adds it and if someone has it authorized on their account
“Your creations remain yours” is pretty fucking disingenuous when you can’t control whether someone else will feed your art into Discord’s Art Mangler 9000 using a button they’ve decided to put on every image in the server, though.
tbf it explains there that it doesnt save or use any images fed to it; it's more one-sided using some database of stuff to influence a simple input to output i guess
The fact that it’s not keeping the thing it’s stealing to feed into another person’s prompt without the permission of the original creator does not in fact make it better.
See but this is fundamentally not how generative ai works. in order to transform your image it has to go in their dataset. theyre lying.
also its in my personal servers where im the only member, and i sure didnt add it.
I have not added it to my server but it still shows up as an option on images
So I don't really understand the insistence "you can use if the server adds it"
for transparency's sake, there was nothing to read because that block of text wasn't there when it was posted, they've been silently editing the blog post...
You know... I remember opening and reading the article this morning, and it definitely had "Partnership" in the headline. In fact, the embed still has the original headline. Now, the article has been updated and suddenly everyone is on *your* ass.
see, the article said a LOT of VERY different things when i accessed it last night, namely they called it a partnership still last night. all of a sudden its "just in the app directory" today?? at the very least theyre doing damage control.
Unfortunately yeah. Discord has been pushing more and more "features" that nobody asked for, and with the company going public soon I can only imagine it's going to get worse. Really hoping a viable competitor will surface soon.
Don’t believe anyone saying it’s an ethical bot. They’re just trying to sweet talk people by stating things like “it’s opt in”. When has any AI been opt in by artists that hates ai? People just upload your art and get results. This gives the ‘bros’ another facet to do so!
Yes, exactly; but the point of my post was “Do not be deceived by honeyed words.” As there was someone, who I’ve now blocked, essentially going: “This ai doesn’t scrape your art, it doesn’t do x or y! It’s safe for you to send your art to their service. ☺️ Please trust this information bro…”
And besides, with tools like Nightshade, you can poison databases and help keep your art safe. So while nothing has changed in regards to the argument of ‘Save as’ (Even I stated that in my response, don’t worry I know what you’re saying) there are still measures you can take to protect your art.
Nightshade and Glaze only work if you don't have the two series of graphics card that are specifically incompatible with it, which I'm unfortunate enough to have. I tried contacting them about webglaze, but their DMs are sealed shut and they haven't responded to my email yet.
Yeah, I do not necessarily trust their "Oh we don't store it or train from it" either, just like I wouldn't trust McDonald's saying "Our food is healthy. Trust us". I'm all for artists using whatever tools are available to help fight back against AI.
Discord coming out trying to claim it's not official claiming "it is not made by or endorsed by Discord" WELL YOU PUT IT IN THE GOD DAMNED USER INTERFACE, IT DOESN'T GET MUCH MORE OFFICIAL THAN THAT FUCKO.
It was an app that got submitted to the app directory like every other app.
Discord didn't partner. It got approved. Just like every other app in the app directory. It's not made or endorsed by discord--it's available as an external app.
Simple fix? Disable the allow external app permission.
This is false. This is the original title of that article.
Even if this is meaningless to you, I didn't add this damn thing to any of my servers and its functionality is still baked in, and there's no way to get it out of my damn server. I cant find external app permissions in my servers either.
It's important to remember that AI is a TOOL, it can be used for good OR bad.
We've opened this pandora's box, now we have to live with it. Ai isn't going away, we should all get used to it unless you plan on an amish lifestyle.
I think there's something to be said for not being always online anyways. It's ok to miss out on things. Even if you went IRC only as your online communication of choice, and got rid of discord and all socials, e-mail is still there if people really needed to reach you.
Except there’s no way to stop somebody from clicking on YOUR ARTWORK IN ANY DISCORD SERVER and throwing it into the plagiarism machine. Even if you disable external app use in your server, people can still do it and the app DMs them the image.
Discord deserves to get flamed for having this app
I don't believe one word big tech says anymore about this kind of thing. They'll lie to you and say ur art is safe, but they're stealing it in secret. It's happened time and time again
Okay, but if they're lying and stealing your data, they're not doing it through a bot that you can ban to opt out of getting your data harvested. They're going to be doing it through data given to them by Discord. This is still misinformation
As usual, people are blowing this way out of proportion. The bot is not in your servers. It has been added to Discord's repository of approved bots, server owners can selectively add them.
You would need to manually add this.
All the ban command does is pre-emptively add it to your ban list.
Its a user app, which means it only gets access to the content a user specifically tells it to. Meaning if you don't use the commands on an image it will never see said image.
The bot is not.
The app is integrated into the Discord client.
Banning the bot does nothing, and the bot is not in your servers.
And as stated, the app integration is an opt-in service.
You can't remove it because it is not in your server.
You can ban any user ID and it will return a name once your client has cached that user ID. Try doing the same to any other user ID and you'll see exactly the same behavior.
Not exactly? Apparently, having tested it myself for a friend on his Patreon server, preemptively banning the bot does not prevent it's use on that server.
In a manner of speaking, yes.
The bot is not the app. They are two different things.
The app cannot be 'banned', as it is directly integrated into Discord.
I have been writing about this for a while now, so I have plenty of research posted if you wish to read.
Honestly I'm just wanting to get rid of the blasted thing. I was looking for a way when I first learned of it in February and hit dead ends, and now was hoping this would work and it's for nought
From what I have found, honestly it may be prudent to leave 'Use External Apps' enabled. Disabling it only makes the messages the app creates private.
By allowing it to post, it @'s the user who input the command, effectively outing them for their hubris. Followed with a prompt ban from the server.
The only way I have found that might disable it, is to completely disable application commands from being run in your server.
Which, for obvious reasons, is... Not great.
There are too many useful apps for server moderation and such for that to be viable.
Except there’s no way to stop somebody from clicking on YOUR ARTWORK IN ANY DISCORD SERVER and throwing it into the plagiarism machine. Even if you disable external app use in your server, people can still do it and the app DMs them the image.
Correct! And even before this app, people could still just copy your image and feed it into a GenAI outside of discord anyway. Literally all this app is doing is removing the copy paste aspect of that process.
There is no substitute for practicing good social hygiene.
When reporting it, you may want to specifically note that game studios and other businesses have a presence on discord, and will post their /copyrighted/ content to the servers. Discord may not care about individual artists, but thousands of angry businesses? Be sure to cite DMCA violations
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https://domoai.app/blog/domoai-x-discord-our-image-restyle-app-now-live-in-the-discord-app-directory
This goddamn tweet sent like five of my friends into a frenzy last night. I'm annoyed at OP
It seems the person who quote retweeted with the screenshot at least deleted their tweet. It was a matryoshka doll of misinformation.
I'm sorry if I came off cruel. I am just exhausted from correcting friends. Thank you for your kindness.
Glaze your images if you can't trust those in your server to not feed shit to ai. Glaze is free
https://domoai.app/blog/domoai-x-discord-our-image-restyle-app-now-live-in-the-discord-app-directory
not saying ai art is good or anything hell no its just that the fear mongering is going crazy
domoai is an app, just like carl-bot or esmbot that people can use if the server adds it and if someone has it authorized on their account
https://bsky.app/profile/darknevoir.bsky.social/post/3lppprelgv22t
Since this has user commands the only way to "make it go away" (hide its responses from being seen publicly) is disabling external app perms
also its in my personal servers where im the only member, and i sure didnt add it.
So I don't really understand the insistence "you can use if the server adds it"
I think the AI company is trying to gaslight us.
Genuinely, nothing has changed.
can't turn it off, can't opt out. Shit ass program
Discord didn't partner. It got approved. Just like every other app in the app directory. It's not made or endorsed by discord--it's available as an external app.
Simple fix? Disable the allow external app permission.
Even if this is meaningless to you, I didn't add this damn thing to any of my servers and its functionality is still baked in, and there's no way to get it out of my damn server. I cant find external app permissions in my servers either.
We've opened this pandora's box, now we have to live with it. Ai isn't going away, we should all get used to it unless you plan on an amish lifestyle.
what do you mean by bouncer?
It is telling that they feel the need to clarify that training and saving of images is not supposed to be plan of it.
Discord deserves to get flamed for having this app
It is the next step up from image remixing.
The most you can do is disable external app perms but that will only make the responses ephemeral.
You would need to manually add this.
All the ban command does is pre-emptively add it to your ban list.
The app is integrated into the Discord client.
Banning the bot does nothing, and the bot is not in your servers.
And as stated, the app integration is an opt-in service.
So you have to actually go as far as to try to use it, respond to the prompts, and THEN you'll see the "opt-in"
But it doesn't stop other people from using it on your images, does it?
You can ban any user ID and it will return a name once your client has cached that user ID. Try doing the same to any other user ID and you'll see exactly the same behavior.
The bot is not the app. They are two different things.
The app cannot be 'banned', as it is directly integrated into Discord.
I have been writing about this for a while now, so I have plenty of research posted if you wish to read.
By allowing it to post, it @'s the user who input the command, effectively outing them for their hubris. Followed with a prompt ban from the server.
Which, for obvious reasons, is... Not great.
There are too many useful apps for server moderation and such for that to be viable.
There is no substitute for practicing good social hygiene.