yeah that was always the confusing part.... the whole 'handholding tutorials' was a massive issue in AMERICAN games. not really Japanese. its why i took his comments as just some random shit talk. but his whole andy kaufman character he played amplified it past that. - ThreadSky

velstrak.bsky.social • 70 days ago

yeah that was always the confusing part.... the whole 'handholding tutorials' was a massive issue in AMERICAN games. not really Japanese.

its why i took his comments as just some random shit talk. but his whole andy kaufman character he played amplified it past that.

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tplus.games•70 days ago

At the time of this panel, the only game in existence was Skyrim, famous for it's typically American lack of hand-holding.

koiofokinawa.bsky.social•70 days ago

I personally don't agree, it was why I myself stopped playing Japanese games for a time after '11 or so. Tutorials did exist in western games too ofc but you could almost always breeze through them quickly. Gears 1, you can totally skip it. Not the case for most J-games at the time.

velstrak.bsky.social•70 days ago

yeah this just be a foreign concept to me. as i played Demon's Souls and was getting hyped for Dark Souls release at that time.

meanwhile American TripleA just got less and less appealing. where the focus of gameplay went entirely away.

koiofokinawa.bsky.social•70 days ago

I think Demon souls was the main game when devs realized there's people who don't want to feel talked down at. Loved DeS. I loved both Japanese and western games at the time, but I was much more into Oblivion, Halo, Dragon age(annoying tutorial in DA too), etc. I love survival horror as well.

koiofokinawa.bsky.social•70 days ago

My main thing for any dev, from anywhere, is respect a players time and respect a players integrity. Accessibility options/optional tutorials are great, but constant tutorials, yellow paint, invasive UI etc makes me feel like devs think I'm dumb, don't like it.

impemboganecue.bsky.social•70 days ago

A lot of industry people felt comfortable saying that stuff about how bad Demon's was in a way they had to walk back for the sequel. Hell, there was a bit of a revival of that when some AAA devs went off on how bad Elden Ring's UI was

velstrak.bsky.social•70 days ago

that was a very funny aspect.

i dont remember bad mouth on Demons Souls specifically. word of mouth hyped up the game....

however, Dark Souls being multiplat resulted in the 'Artificial Difficulty' debates. many claiming Difficulty was inherently outdated and every game should just be a movie😂

velstrak.bsky.social•70 days ago

(but it was funny learning behind the scenes how sony hated demons souls 😂)

koiofokinawa.bsky.social•70 days ago

I think there's a place for movie-like games and gameplay driven experiences. Diversity is the fruit of the industry. But a lot of people seem to want to erase the thing they aren't into and that's always been odd to me. Like the "Grummz crowd" on Twitter.

koiofokinawa.bsky.social•70 days ago

I personally don't remember being personally bothered by ERs UI, but people did complain about it. Ubisoft comes to mind quick. I want to see the game, the world, not having UI pollution. Disappearing UI while exploring is cool, helps a lot imo

impemboganecue.bsky.social•70 days ago

Haven't played it yet myself, but from watching Stalker 2, it's very good about that

impemboganecue.bsky.social•70 days ago

That's an even more complex topic, because I think it's clear that From's UIs are often intentionally obtuse or limited for very particular reasons. They aren't accomplishing the same thing as Horizon: Zero Dawn's UI at all

koiofokinawa.bsky.social•70 days ago

I gotta head to bed for work tonight, was nice having a civil back and forth with yall despite not agreeing 100%. Respect.

Also yeah I hated Horizons UI tbh, but I didn't like Horizon in general. Didn't click with it.

impemboganecue.bsky.social•70 days ago

It was an issue in SOME Japanese games, not always. maybe even less so overall. You also had stuff like FFXIII not unlocking all of its basic mechanics until like 15 hours into the game lol. But that IS kind of different, since a lot of RPGs to some version of that. It was just egregious there

velstrak.bsky.social•70 days ago

the biggest controversy point i remember was Twilight Princess with the 'hour long' Tutorial Village, that was ultimately just a repeat of Ocarina of Time's tutorial.

that seemed to be the snowball effect where everyone just assumed EVERY japanese game was like that

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