That was my point. Nothing to do with a-hole PP, but Canadian patriotism stems from usually voting what's best for country or sometimes the leader representing us (ie Kim Campbell was a disaster). Prairies not always conservative either (AB was actually NDP last session as was SK 2 terms ago). - ThreadSky

daveintoronto.bsky.social • 2 days ago

That was my point. Nothing to do with a-hole PP, but Canadian patriotism stems from usually voting what's best for country or sometimes the leader representing us (ie Kim Campbell was a disaster). Prairies not always conservative either (AB was actually NDP last session as was SK 2 terms ago).

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biolgeek.bsky.social•2 days ago

Not entirely true. It happens to be the party PP represents. The values they say they represent. Anything right of the liberal party is unacceptable to my values since I was old enough to read. PP just happens to be the mouthpiece at the moment. Harper was no different. It's the party.

daveintoronto.bsky.social•2 days ago

So you switch between NDP and Liberal. I've switched between Conservatives (very long time ago) and Liberals (but if Libs elected an idiot, the choice for me is difficult). First Trudeau was very popular, but his new tax credit policies (for the wealthy) put us into era of large deficits.

biolgeek.bsky.social•2 days ago

That is your opinion not fact and I disagree. That would be the Premiers that did that.

daveintoronto.bsky.social•2 days ago

Canada's debt rose from $262B to $700B during Pierre years. I don't disagree with deficit financing when needed; at that time of high inflation it was the right thing to do. Most don't understand how popular the tax credits were for wealthy to reduce taxes & the deficit impact from less revenue.

biolgeek.bsky.social•2 days ago

It was the only way (they thought at the time) to make Canada competitive. That created a "we need people" problem, which Trudeau Jr is now being blamed for but most don't realize the Premiers have to ask the Feds for an increase in immigration. Anyway, we have ventured far from the original thought

daveintoronto.bsky.social•2 days ago

Brings back memories of learning how to fill out tax returns for all the wealthy people who were buying them to reduce taxes. The point I've had to make now is, surprisingly, educate people on the rebate they get that PP doesn't talk about when harping on carbon tax

daveintoronto.bsky.social•2 days ago

The Scientific Tax Credits and other tax incentives introduced during Pierre Trudeau era are widely acknowledged as creating the deficit versus surpluses prior to him. Rae days killed Ontario when NDP elected. Dion and Ignatieff were 2 Liberal leaders I could not support.

biolgeek.bsky.social•2 days ago

I think you better go check out what happened in the late 70s early 80s and see what happened to create those deficits. Hint hint. It has to do with oil and gold and where Canada was in mining and the industrialization process of these materials. Those tax credits made Canada competitive.

daveintoronto.bsky.social•2 days ago

Plus, I was there throughout 70s and 80s and saw it first hand and attended many lectures on what was driving the increased debt along with economic boost.

daveintoronto.bsky.social•2 days ago

And I agree they were good to have to stimulate economy, but result was large increase in our debt

daveintoronto.bsky.social•2 days ago

I have studied it often. Scientific Research and Development Tax Credits stimulated lots of investment (I was busy doing lots of tax returns) and exploration expenses were accelerated tax deductions.

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