No one could have predicted Never Trumpers would beome Trump supporters. - ThreadSky

nytpitchbot.bsky.social • 71 days ago

No one could have predicted Never Trumpers would beome Trump supporters.

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I never for a second bought Bretbug’s Never-Trumpism. You could always sense his teeth-gritting disgust when he had to criticize Trump, or even worse, compliment a Democrat. It was clearly evident it made him sick.

dsng480.bsky.social•71 days ago

First they came for the New York Times, and I said "Kewl! They're hiding in that house over there. I'll get my phone so I can tape the arrests!"

feelers.bsky.social•71 days ago

Absolutes are fairy tales for children. The rational mind understands that there are always contingencies. That’s why every truly honest man is a Sometimes Trumper. By Michael Shermer

staidwinnow.cultofsundries.com•71 days ago

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/bret-stephens-explains-why-he-s-still-a-nevertrumper-1134685763577

Is confusing!

kgeographer.bsky.social•71 days ago

Finally cancelled my @nytimes.com news subscription after reading this (addicted to the games though). The savings are considerable and some will go to news organizations I actually like. After 6+ decades as a reader. The @nytpitchbot.bsky.social will keep me informed.

mprclntrlst.bsky.social•71 days ago

Also Bret Stephens

cjbinmd.bsky.social•71 days ago

Bret was never a Never Trumper. He has always been just insufferable, wherever he chose to pretend to sit.

algoresmilkymams.bsky.social•71 days ago

he was a less obsequious antiantitrumper.

cjbinmd.bsky.social•71 days ago

Eh, maybe so. I found him insufferable even before Trump.

calamityjim.bsky.social•71 days ago

yet another moment in which I feel grateful for not reading the NYT.

thank you!

auritech.bsky.social•71 days ago

Never Never Trump? Sounds like some Peter Pan bs!!

bgrueskin.bsky.social•71 days ago

Holy moly that is some idiotic juxtaposition we got here

nytpitchbot.bsky.social•71 days ago

Is there anyone who didn't think the Hunter Biden painting prices weren't troubling? Even I made jokes it, and it's fairly far from my beat.

bgrueskin.bsky.social•71 days ago

Yes it was shady. But there’s shady and then there’s SHADY

triedofpolitics.bsky.social•70 days ago

Lest we forget murder…Khashoggi!

nytpitchbot.bsky.social•71 days ago

For sure what Kush did was more shady. But to pretend that lots of people (like me) didn't like the Hunter Biden paintings thing is just nuts.

fashgonnalooz.bsky.social•71 days ago

Equivalence...?

fashgonnalooz.bsky.social•71 days ago

I'll never defend a Biden as not being sleazy or pretend they care about average people but yah — quite a juxtaposition there

algoresmilkymams.bsky.social•71 days ago

roger clinton's wedding band played shows in the democratic people's republic of korea while his bro was president.
it's just want presidential family does.
(saying roger jamming for juche is on par with hunter painting. javanka in another level entirely.)

lordmimey.bsky.social•71 days ago

I think the point being raised is that there was more scrutiny, coverage, and talk about the Bidens with actual *consequences* then there ever has been for the Trump family. We literally had a guy admit in court he made the Bidens taking bribes! Yet it was treated as if it was true all along!

lordmimey.bsky.social•71 days ago

he made up*

maggyw.bsky.social•71 days ago

His paintings are very good.

viraldonutz.bsky.social•71 days ago

Wait... that double negative is throwing me

dbmichele.bsky.social•71 days ago

Idiotic juxtaposition is his brand. He assumes everyone’s memory is as poorly tethered to history as his is. Democrats were appalled by Bill Clinton. Two billion from the Saudis and he’s whining about Hunter’s paintings? Better content in the puzzles and recipes.

elontookitindaazz.bsky.social•71 days ago

Thats all fine and I agree with all. Its just there is a reason old man Biden didnt go al, out to throw orange turd traitor in jail. As he should have. Banana republic stuff. Orange turd & family are scum , but that diesnt change a fact that Bidens son is sleazy creep profiting off old man all life

blacklabstwo.bsky.social•71 days ago

JFC. Trump’s the worst traitor in our history. Killed a million Americans and democracy. He will
leave behind a bankrupt shell and how many millions dead. But Hunter Biden. WTF

deniselouis.bsky.social•71 days ago

Dems were furious with Clinton. Was he around then?

notralphmalph.bsky.social•71 days ago

No one could accuse George Conway, who is about as Never Trump as a person could be, of being a defender of Bill Clinton’s sexual misconduct. He made the Clinton Lewinsky scandal public, and helped represent Paula Jones against Clinton.

timurid.bsky.social•71 days ago

If celebrity jock sniffing is a crime we should just go ahead and colonize Mars and turn it into a prison. All the depraved thugs who make TV shows about bass fishing or pie baking that people only watch because some C List celebrity sits in should die in the sulfur mines under Olympus Mons.

thedanadecker.bsky.social•71 days ago

Stephens is using the propaganda technique of stereotyping", where one or two examples are used as a justification for broad generalizations about a much larger population.

foreskingamer.bsky.social•71 days ago

Every single Mueller report person is now openly supporting Trump

yeahjeetsyeah.bsky.social•71 days ago

The headline for this one should be:

"I'm a total fucking coward" - Bret Stephens

creativejordan.bsky.social•71 days ago

I’m so sick of Bret Stephens. Every story he writes is secretly all about him. He’s so painfully unlikable.

mitchsolomon.bsky.social•71 days ago

How are you supposed to provide satire when the New York Times delivers such broad comedy every day and around the clock?

meouse.bsky.social•71 days ago

God, I despise Bret Stephens. He is the absolute epitome of a mediocre white male thinking he has something worth hearing.

leftliblucy.bsky.social•71 days ago

The number of collaborationist Vichy journalists is very concerning, but I believe we can prevail

nytpitchbot.bsky.social•71 days ago

Here is my Bret/Bari hot take. When they were first hired I thought "Well, it's hard to find good conservative columnists, I understand this." But I got to know some ex-Weekly Standard people and the truth is, there are dozens of better conservative columnist choices the NYT could have made.

eric623.bsky.social•71 days ago

In retrospect, the weekly standard was one of the sanest conservative outlets

algoresmilkymams.bsky.social•71 days ago

morton kondracke died for our sins.

nytpitchbot.bsky.social•71 days ago

If you take away all the Iraq war garbage, they had some pretty good content.

eric623.bsky.social•71 days ago

I didn’t always agree with them but it wasn’t conspiracy related insane slop that we get today

n-abbott.bsky.social•71 days ago

there are certainly some smart people with horrific ideas. unfortunately (?) it seems like the dumbest evil pieces of trash have supplanted them as policy and political powerbrokers while the smart ones are just stuck with debasing themselves bootlicking and normalizing the idiocracy

sarahgrynpas.bsky.social•70 days ago

The problem is actually (irony!) a problem of the NYT being too in its liberal bubble. They assume hating liberals makes you a diverse or a conservative voice, when in fact it makes you the same prep school Brooklyn hipster as everyone else.

mattgreenfield.bsky.social•68 days ago

Hundreds.

triplebassist.bsky.social•71 days ago

Sentences I never thought I'd say: "I wish they'd hired Bill Kristol."

schroedinger.bsky.social•71 days ago

Maybe being a conservative NYT columnist would cause any of them to go insane though.

funkndonuts.bsky.social•71 days ago

but then they wouldn't be the nyt would they Douglas

numb.comfortab.ly•71 days ago

NYT can replace 90% of its columnists with Gen AI https://bsky.app/profile/numb.comfortab.ly/post/3ld57oea3z22m

numb.comfortab.ly•71 days ago

Literally https://bsky.app/profile/numb.comfortab.ly/post/3kxoeucbaoj2n

mjr1.bsky.social•71 days ago

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

hoptimusprime.bsky.social•71 days ago

They aspire to midwittery, and I don’t understand why the NYT couldn’t find some actual midwits to hire. They’re quite loud, you know. They’re not difficult to find.

nytpitchbot.bsky.social•71 days ago

Bret and Bari are bad and they are conservative. But they are bad in a way that is independent of being conservative.

yankeedem.bsky.social•71 days ago

Bari is worse. She’s such a sanctimonious snowflake.

nytpitchbot.bsky.social•70 days ago

Bari is much much worse.

allmykidshavepaws.bsky.social•70 days ago

#BretStephens & #BariWeiss just always seemed sketchy & on the take to me. They'll say whatever they need to for whomever pays the most money!
@MattTaibbi too! Seriously, is it just me or do they all look sketchy AF?

golikehellmachine.com•71 days ago

they’re also just not interesting writers or thinkers

oregonbeersnob.bsky.social•71 days ago

They're just not interesting.

rogersullivan.bsky.social•71 days ago

Or thinkers.

jfpgaffney.bsky.social•71 days ago

Might I suggest they are fucking stupid?

bginchi.bsky.social•71 days ago

The worst thing about them is they think they're super clever and smart and it's privilege all the way to the shallow bottom.

parasocialista.bsky.social•71 days ago

They are told that by their benefactors, and therefore regurgitate their benefactors' viewpoints to stay in their good graces and remain in clover

mattstern.bsky.social•71 days ago

I think this needs further explication.

smegmaticsmotrich.bsky.social•71 days ago

They are bad for the conservative reasons too tho

patrick-bartoch.bsky.social•71 days ago

Bari‘s “Honestly” podcast was the only podcast I’ve ever downloaded then deleted after listening to a few episodes. It was Honestly terrible.

alanwolk.com•71 days ago

But Doug, Stephens easily became what the NYT wanted him to be: a stock character. All their op-ed writers are stock characters--we could go through and easily call out what stereotypical role they are supposed to play and which segment of the NYT audience they are supposed to appeal to.

alanwolk.com•71 days ago

LIke MG is the cool progressive Park Slope mom, who is active in her kids diverse public school PTA and has never met a progressive cause she doesn't wholeheartedly support even if she doesn't quite get all the nuances. And that is the part of the NYT audience she appeals to.

wiredog.bsky.social•71 days ago

So what is @jamellebouie.net ?

alanwolk.com•71 days ago

And now that I've actually read the article, it's nothing more than a click-bait headline for the same article I've read 20 times this month and will no doubt read 20 more: "If all these people can still like Trump after all that, maybe they're on to something. Here is why I think they might be."

alanwolk.com•71 days ago

And you and I can write the article in our sleep DJB. "Progressives were too condescending and turned people off. Trump talked crazier than he acted. Some shit about egg prices. Some shit about podcasts and Rogan. Conclusion about how we need to listen more and not dismiss people out of hand." Voila

mjr1.bsky.social•71 days ago

I saw a drone today in Morningside Heights:

mysterydrone.us•71 days ago

Looks like one

katefromnyc.bsky.social•71 days ago

Yes. I mean, I can't comprehend why the NY Times -- as awful as it is -- would pay for Stephens' completely unserious takes on government and politics. He was convinced Michelle Obama was going to be Biden's VP pick. And that was one of his more rational takes.

johnjernberg.bsky.social•71 days ago

Bret is wrong about most things all the time.

bluememe.bsky.social•71 days ago

Which strongly suggests that the NYT wasn’t looking for better conservative columnists.

bluememe.bsky.social•71 days ago

Also: don’t forget the brief, shining moment that was the tenure of William “The Bloody” Kristol.

pitchbotturd02.bsky.social•71 days ago

Towards the end, Bari was so transparently desperate for a reason to claim she was "canceled" by the NyTimes. Just pathetic.

gerrylev.bsky.social•71 days ago

And yet not worse than the conservative choices at CNN.

hardly.bsky.social•71 days ago

Bed bug!

existential-joy.bsky.social•71 days ago

I canceled my NYT subscription as soon as they hired Bret. He was previously a professional climate denier. Why amplify a known propagandist for the worst causes imaginable?

mardukkur.bsky.social•70 days ago

This was my beef with the guy. Sure, hire a conservative to write op-eds if you can find an honest one. Don't hire a known liar so you can print lies in the newspaper. For me it was a fatal blow to the credibility of the paper, an announcement that they cannot be trusted as an honest source.

mrmicah.bsky.social•71 days ago

No one, ever. 😒

katefromnyc.bsky.social•71 days ago

Bret Stephens can call himself whatever he wants, but he's basically an idiot who writes stupid sh** for the NY Times--and gets handsomely paid for it.

underscore-proto.bsky.social•71 days ago

4 minute read but Chat GPT wrote it for him in 40 seconds.

paulattoram.bsky.social•71 days ago

Grok in 4 seconds 😉

drsoup34.bsky.social•71 days ago

This dude I found on the web encapsulates the elite Never-Trumper mind:
https://bsky.app/profile/drsoup34.bsky.social/post/3ldjxjycwc22w

boloboffin.bsky.social•71 days ago

I've seen this movie.

senorjuanton.bsky.social•71 days ago

Why we are bending the knee to Trump by Joe Scarborough, Mika Brezinski, Tim Cook, Mark Zuckerberg, Les Moonves, Ro Khanna, Jared Moskowitz, Megan McArdle, Ross Douthat, Lindy Li, and Bob Iger

metrochimp.bsky.social•70 days ago

Look, I think we can all agree that the Second Trump Administration will go well as long as they do the things I want to believe they will do instead of the things that I know they will do!

milesdestin.bsky.social•71 days ago

Did Nazi that coming

moonchild7569.bsky.social•70 days ago

He was NEVER a “never trumper”

susanelizabethcox.bsky.social•71 days ago

This guy has never written anything worth reading. Like ever.

cvilletgr.bsky.social•70 days ago

I thought that they were both, basically, from the "Some Guy with a Blog" cadre to which legacy publications turned in panic during the 90s and Oughts to seem "hip" and "with it" to the Youth of America who were being seduced the siren call of American Online and MSN.

ericcalifornia.bsky.social•71 days ago

Bret stephens, again.
Doubt he was ever a never trumper. Spent the election trashing Kamala

spirolamgian.bsky.social•71 days ago

If Trump abandons the constitution and runs in 2028, I’ll have no choice but to vote for him for a 4th time.

paulfuller.bsky.social•71 days ago

Always the ones you most expect

matko88.bsky.social•71 days ago

apprxlinear.bsky.social•71 days ago

He puts the vocation in equivocation

bpie7.bsky.social•71 days ago

Ah, a Never Trumper. Hello, faithful ally and fellow opposer of Trump! Nice to see you - wait, there's some dust on your name tag. Allow me to brush it off ...
"Never Trump Sike Totally Trump"
Hm, this is disappointing.

rileywest.bsky.social•71 days ago

Bret. Stephens. Oy vey. 🙄

therealjeffstein.bsky.social•71 days ago

I wish we were done with Bret Stephens but then we’d pretty much only have Maureen Dowd pitchbotting 🫤

jennvg.bsky.social•71 days ago

Douthat is the gift that keeps on giving.

algoresmilkymams.bsky.social•71 days ago

waiting for his conclave taeks after academy award noms are announced.

realturkana.bsky.social•71 days ago

Not going to read it, obviously, but is he really saying he now supports Trump?

asfried.bsky.social•71 days ago

No.

jonclaw.bsky.social•71 days ago

That's the trick: he always has.

jakwash.bsky.social•71 days ago

Done with BretBug.

jamespeltz.bsky.social•71 days ago

Are Bret and Gail Collins still doing that cringe-y banter column on Mondays?

sophichg.bsky.social•71 days ago

Bedbug Bret

patdeklotz.bsky.social•71 days ago

Please don’t stick Stephens with us. But it would be great to remind him of how good his takes are.

ex-rino.bsky.social•71 days ago

Never means never. Proudly an OG #NeverTrump (or his supporters)

jryerr.horse•71 days ago

Bedbug-ass behavior

cornpop48.bsky.social•71 days ago

It reminds of when Sarah Silverman dressed up as Hitler and said “I like what he says, just not how he’s saying it.”
Civility never matters as much as people pretend it does. Neocons are trumpers on almost every issue, so it was only a matter of time.

mattva.bsky.social•71 days ago

He's not a Never Trumper. The Never Trumpers call him and his ilk anti-antis (I've only heard it, no idea if that's how they spell it :) ). They are anti-Never Trumpers, but not pro-Trump. Until they are