That's weird man I remember a bunch of leftists getting arrested protesting Trump's inauguration on J20 and other leftists like Heather Heyer murdered protesting against Trump's "very fine people"
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The left hasn't moved. The Democrats keep moving right to "pivot to the center", even as the Republicans' rightward sprint pulls the center towards Mussolini. So they abandon their actual voting base to chase after "moderate Republicans" who DO NOT EXIST in enough numbers to make up for the losses.
I forget who, but someone on Bluesky put it quite succinctly: There's only so many times you can tell your voting base to fuck off before they do, indeed, fuck off.
It's such blatant horseshit to pretend there weren't a ton of leftists dragging their feet during the elections he won because Clinton, Biden and Harris weren't satisfactory (as opposed to what satisfactory alternative, I couldn't really tell you). We were having these conversations *3 months ago*
The left told you hillary couldn’t win.
The left told you Biden was a bad idea and would just hand republicans a landslide in 24
The left told you kamala couldn’t win.
You talk a lot of shit for someone who’s been wrong about everything for 3 elections straight
Before it was genocide it was the exact same cutesy-mean tone and call to action of not-voting to "extract concessions" that never materialize as it was when it was Medicare for All or student loan forgiveness, so excuse me if I don't take you all that seriously on it
i can't parse that onerous serious of self-negations sorry, but since i see "not-voting" in there i'm gonna guess you are accusing me of organizing abstentionism, which i never have dork
seems like maybe you should build an actual strawman to fight instead of accusing people of shit online
no bitch i organized a statewide campaign to steer them toward success, show them the number of people who can't in good conscience support them, and they decided to do nothing with it and promised not to change
It's also weird to be a person who is not far left or centrist - you know, like most median Ds- and the left is constantly like, "you're just a pro-McKinsey hack." Da fuq? we agree on like 85% of things but that doesn't seem to satisfy anyone.
If someone supports or used to work for McKinsey that should be disqualifying. There's no shortage of people who have plenty of credentials and haven't worked for a consulting firm whose main advice is privatization and layoffs!
Right but Bernie folks told me repeatedly in 2016 that the "court was not enough" to vote D. An men in particular, that the Court wouln't over turn Roe, stop being hysterial, R's depend on Roe to make cash. So maybe we call all just cop to the fact that many of us made mistakes?
I honestly get that, like I agree that none of the people who could become president are good people in a vacuum. It's just like, it's not even about that, we're not in a vacuum, and Biden or Harris failing my moral litmus test doesn't get someone who passes it elected
THIS. It's hard for me to believe those folks are real, but I met one in rl in 2020. Politicizing Covid cost 100s of 1000s of Americans their lives. My bodily autonomy was *shrug* to them. So many people are *dying* because putting a little polish on their ego was better than the planet.
They couldn't even tell you who their candidate was! They focused their criticisms on the liberal candidate while they were completely immune by running "generic far Left," which is somewhere between Santa and the tooth fairy.
1. I asked mine 1st, you took the bait.
2. If you couldn't bring yourself to _vote_ against the literal Hitler-saluting-Nazis, don't talk to me about genocide.
This Stancil character is just a highly sophisticated outrage bot sent back in time to rage bait us into wasting hours debate-bro-ing him same growing his clout farm.
The whole is not the group but there*were* lot of Red-Browns in 2015, 2016, and "Trump isn't actually worse than Jeb or Clinton or Haley or Biden" is something that *was* said, and not by liberals.
So then why did you ask for the tweet if you had no intention of visiting the site for proof of said tweet? Annoying. Anyway, I provided the link for you to not actually look at. You’re welcome.
Here's a charitable interpretation (mostly because I would like everyone to be shooting in the same direction): you and Will are not speaking about the same thing when you say, "antifa."
The melt brain fetuses that took over much of the DSA chapters then & turned that org into shite do not represent me as a leftist. And their stupid post doesn’t make Will’s posts and less stupid.
No, I’m not a huge Stancil fan, but he gets lied about more than any other decent writer. Largely because he actually writes nuanced pieces, that take more than one post/skeet/whatever to express, so it’s easy for people to take one skeet out of context.
Imagine shitting out the claim that leftists didn't take Trump seriously only to end up on the wrong side of the most infamous moment of anti-Trumpism of his entire Presidency.
And now "antifa" is in danger of being declared terrorist... and they can't even define who is a "member of antifa". And every time I ask someone for examples of antifa terror acts, all they have are cases of mutual violence at protests and shit like that. I show stats, they don't care.
this is one of the most insidiously stupid horseshoe theory ass posts I've ever fucking seen in my life. "you're just like the bad guys because you say they're bad, they say mean things about you too! it's the same thing!"
"at least they're not Trump"has been the ENTIRE Democratic party platform for ~10 years now. All while shifting their policies further and further right.
I was about to plea for less liberal/leftist fighting, as, in my opinion, it's not really something we need to be putting energy into right now, but then I saw you're doing it to Will Stancil, and, y'know what? Fuck him up, dude.
Every time I hear about the Far Left I get cringe stomach
Like what is the far left?
Equality is that far left?
Trans rights is that far left?
Like what is far left anyways
Can someone explain please 🙏
That's literally Alex Jones' rhetorical strategy. He says stuff like, "We will annihilate the globalists, gouge out their eyes, and stomp their guts out - politically, nonviolently, lovingly, rhetorically." Sure, bud.
How did Logan, to whom he was responding using Logan's own language, mean "attacking antifa"? That might provide some clue. And was it okay for Logan to say "attacking antifa"?
It's very clear reading how he writes that he conflates these two things frequently, which is actually an extremely lib thing. You ask them to do something about anything and they're like, "We have to
fix our messaging!"
By “attack”, Stancil clearly meant “criticize”. If you think criticism leads to you burying your friends, you are too sensitive to live in a democracy.
"Privileged hetero-performative white dude argues that aggressive rhetoric has no causal relationship to violent action." Probably not even a term for it...
Stancil is just saying that it’s fine to criticize any group, no one gets an exemption. It’s obvious in context - but you stripped that context away to make it look like a call for violence. I may even agree w/Bayroff in this debate, but it doesn’t justify distorting Stancil’s point.
Hi. Tranny, here. You want to maybe explain why you think that political rhetoric from influential people in the mainstream media doesn't actually lead to violence against their targets? That'd be swell.
It absolutely does! Trans people have been subjected to an onslaught of dehumanizing rhetoric, which has accelerated the pace of violence and oppression. But there has to be space in a democracy for normal constructive criticism - and I believe that's what Stancil is referring to.
And this is why even if "he's posted some better stuff lately!" WE DON'T FALL FOR THEIR SHIT, PEOPLE. SO MANY OF YOU FALL FOR THIS SHIT EVERY SINGLE TIME - someone who's always been an ass says something halfway normal and you all want to "wElCoMe To ThE rEsIsTaNcE" them. JFC.
Because there's a big difference between rhetorical and physical attacks, and it wasn't clear from the quoted single reply, that he was talking about the former. I don't exactly agree with him even in context, but it's still a different thing than what's implied.
See and this is one more reason why it sucks that I had to leave that place — I have no way to go through people’s past statements to determine who is a POS and who is worth a damn.
do you know why things like a one-day symbolic march were disparaged? do you recall the tenor of liberals & liberal media towards self-defensive & confrontational antifascist demonstrations? like, against actual neo-Nazi/white supremacist groups?
This is not some one-sided antagonism. This is people who support a national political party shitting on anything the people vaguely to their left do or say or want or who they want elected for ~20 years, and those ppl meeting opposition with opposition.
I dont know what youre talking about but I tried to explain it nicely to you and you responded like the smug shitlib you are, so go batten down with your knitted pussy hat while the govt falls bc your Democrats couldnt give less of a fuck about you
Apparently we're a bunch of damnlibruls and damnleftists yelling at each other tonight, because it's not like we have a common enemy or anything.
"Saturday night's alright for fighting..."
Tbf, liberal American press outlets completely ignored the existence of J20 while whining about press freedom, despite many of those arrested being journalists.
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The left told you Biden was a bad idea and would just hand republicans a landslide in 24
The left told you kamala couldn’t win.
You talk a lot of shit for someone who’s been wrong about everything for 3 elections straight
u: wow that isn't exactly satisfactory but i won't accept anyone criticizing it
seems like maybe you should build an actual strawman to fight instead of accusing people of shit online
u, for a year straight: I will stop this by ignoring the fascist running for president and doing memes
Probably because you, correctly, deduced that they would concentrate the pain they inflicted om foreign, brown, poor people.
Not real humans, like you.
actual comedy
your anecdotes aren't facts
that the votes mattered less than what was effectively campaigning for people to stay home.
2. If you couldn't bring yourself to _vote_ against the literal Hitler-saluting-Nazis, don't talk to me about genocide.
The left always hates liberals more than fascists
https://bsky.app/profile/chadloder.bsky.social/post/3lhphibltyc2e
all our comrades get heroes ofrendas
https://bsky.app/profile/dalassa.bsky.social/post/3lhph7dnt7c2s
Stop running defense for a compulsive lair who exists solely to attack anyone that opposes fascism.
What a ratfucker.
absolutely staggeringly idiotic slug brained bullshit.
i woulda gone so much hotter with him on here lmfao
Block him
Like what is the far left?
Equality is that far left?
Trans rights is that far left?
Like what is far left anyways
Can someone explain please 🙏
They just whip that phrase out likes it’s yesterdays sausage
this is how liberals could with a straight face claim palestinians were both this year
The guy seems to have an internal compass, but a tendency to use it near magnets.
if this is what passes for wisdom, i'll stick with being a dumb bitch
(Unless i do, and it would be embarrassing if Nazis were now in control of the US government. Oopsie doodles)
fix our messaging!"
What have risked?
You should give it to the democrats.
A whole lot of them are throwing progressives under the bus instead of uniting against trump.
Which is NOT productive at all.
Anyone that's trying to divide us is helping the orange.
And Chad's reply, which is correct
"Attacking with words" is not suddenly okay. Especially because the person that murdered Heather was inspired by people's words.
See and this is one more reason why it sucks that I had to leave that place — I have no way to go through people’s past statements to determine who is a POS and who is worth a damn.
***Thank you*** for letting us know.
All lubed up with his sweat. He'll slip right outta any headlock.
I was in the Women's March, which was disparaged by a lot of Leftists.
How's Olgino these days?
"Saturday night's alright for fighting..."
Not shocking liberals are unaware