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thistimesurely.bsky.social • 56 days ago

Any ideas? Because after every game it looks more pronounced.

In amongst Amorim’s army of coaches, is there somebody with a focus on psychology? Obviously the team are learning a new system, and their (physical) fitness has been questioned for a long time. But it looks increasingly that mentally the players are shot to pieces. Is that being addressed at all?

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altham.bsky.social•56 days ago

The problems with mental fragility are not new. I lost count of how many times this team collapsed in tough moments under ETH and prior managers. I think we are making too much of the new system’s impact on player’s performances. They were bad & losing whilst playing a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1, and bad now.

thistimesurely.bsky.social•56 days ago

Absolutely agree. They are mentally destroyed, and the formation is little more than an excuse at this point. They can’t do the basics - tactics are almost irrelevant.

altham.bsky.social•56 days ago

Absolutely. I’ve seen that performance against Newcastle and other clubs countless times before while playing a back 4. It’s not due to the system.

adamlevitt.bsky.social•56 days ago

It’s clearly massive issue and I’m not sure they’re an easy fix. Everyone in that first 30 minutes last night looked completely frazzled. Are they over thinking everything trying to adapt to the new system or are they just scared?

pamnashes.bsky.social•56 days ago

A flexible coach adapts a system to fit the players he has, not the players he wishes he had.
A new system, constant rotation, players being dropped after they’ve had a good game (Rashford & Zirkzee dropped after a brace each against Everton) is not the way to build up confidence, imho.

alangrace84.bsky.social•56 days ago

It's a fair point but I remember thinking after that game that Zirkzee wasn't going to cut it as the CF in that system

pamnashes.bsky.social•56 days ago

Maybe he won’t but Zirkzee is a young player making his way in football and he gets binned after scoring two.
It wasn’t handled well, imho.
I’ve never seen so much chopping and changing in so few matches, the players aren’t given time to settle into this so called system.

alangrace84.bsky.social•56 days ago

I agree. I think Amorim has been naive

altham.bsky.social•56 days ago

I don’t think it’s naive. He’s acknowledged that it’s difficult to build connections between players whilst rotating, but rotation is necessary to avoid injuries. This fan base should know better than most how devastating it can be to run players into the ground, as all previous managers have done.

pamnashes.bsky.social•56 days ago

Indeed ☹️

thistimesurely.bsky.social•56 days ago

In fairness, I think Amorim has been clear that his MO wasn’t to pick his favoured 11, consistently. In order to keep players fresh, and better (and more quickly) assess the squad, he was going to rotate. Zirkzee wasn’t ‘dropped’ he was just rotated out as others had been (and continue to be).

pamnashes.bsky.social•56 days ago

He scored two in the PL and hasn’t been given 90 minutes in a PL game since then.
Last night OUR OWN FANS booed him off because, yet again, Amorim subbed him.
How can you expect a young player to progress?
I’m gutted for Zirkzee, he’s being sacrificed.

adamlevitt.bsky.social•56 days ago

Fair enough but we’ve seen that story before and know how it ends, right? I’m really tired of the short term gain/long term pain philosophy that’s seemingly infected our past 3-4 managers.

thistimesurely.bsky.social•56 days ago

I’m personally supportive of the approach. The sooner Amorim’s ideas are adopted, the sooner we can start to build. If he compromises now, it just moves the learning period to the summer - and the beginning of next season. Accept this season is a competitive practice period. And hope we do enough…

altham.bsky.social•56 days ago

Yep. It’s time for pain. This club and fan base have never truly buckled down. They always, always choose the easy way out. It’s time to ride out the storm.

adamlevitt.bsky.social•56 days ago

It seems most were open to RR’s open heart surgery suggestion. In reality, we’ve probably only had cosmetic improvements so far. There needs to be a lot of hard decisions in the near future. I’m totally open to no player safe from being moved on.

perry-mufc.bsky.social•56 days ago

I think this issue is a lot bigger than the manager. The club is not well and anyone can feel it from miles away, I can only imagine how it is on the inside.

richio.bsky.social•56 days ago

I don’t think anyone is considering how badly a traumatic season now can actually spill over into next season. It’s exactly what happened with Ten Hag. Pain now can literally cause pain in future.

thistimesurely.bsky.social•56 days ago

I think that’s fair. But faced with the absolutely shit set of circumstances he has, I think it’s the best option. Find out now who can do what he wants, and identify what he needs to make it work. ETH did the opposite - he adapted to what he thought the players could do. There isn’t as easy fix.

srtb89.bsky.social•56 days ago

No, no, I keep hearing and reading it’s for the long term good /s

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