I think the discourse around generative AI has led to some confusion around other forms of procedural generation which don't steal from artists. This story will be misinterpreted by some but I think it's important to point out how these tools can be useful when the source data is entirely in-house - ThreadSky

scully1888.bsky.social • 1 day ago

I think the discourse around generative AI has led to some confusion around other forms of procedural generation which don't steal from artists.

This story will be misinterpreted by some but I think it's important to point out how these tools can be useful when the source data is entirely in-house

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Monolith Soft says using procedural asset generation for Xenoblade Chronicles 3 "reduced man-hours considerably", freeing up time to focus on graphics and gameplay.

The studio says it's impossible to manually maintain games with 100,000+ assets.

www.videogameschronicle.com/news/monolit...

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rockettpowered.bsky.social•1 day ago

Isn't most open world RPGs made with some sort of procedural generated assets?

teeghip.bsky.social•1 day ago

If everything procedural was bad you might as well say bye bye to the rouguelike genre

nora-lightspeed.bsky.social•1 day ago

and Minecraft.

underconsolepod.bsky.social•1 day ago

The majority of discourse that just uses AI as one big catch all without differentiation between things like procedural generation and machine learning is incredibly depressing, and leads to more disinformation than a poorly prompted ChatGPT output.

-Ash

nekonoani.bsky.social•1 day ago

Recently I’ve heard people saying that the CGI in a 2012 movie was AI. I tried to argue but they wouldn’t budge.
This level of disinformation only helps LLMs – if everything is AI, then what’s really the problem with using them?

laauuurrrreeeee.bsky.social•1 day ago

Even machine learning has nothing wrong with it. Assuming you train and run your own stuff as many do.
The big corporate AI companies are the real issue.

underconsolepod.bsky.social•1 day ago

100%. I’ve used machine learning models for offline transcription and translation in environments where bringing in an external translator is not viable for security reasons. It ran offline on a pair of raspberry pi’s and a laptop. Saved lives, Y’know?*

underconsolepod.bsky.social•1 day ago

(* nothing to do with the podcast this account is for, I should add. We don’t save lives, we just make stupid jokes 😂)

superjman1111.bsky.social•1 day ago

Procedurally generated stuff is fine, the number 1 bestselling game in history relies on it

bernhard-werner.de•1 day ago

Proc gen really took the biggest hit over the last years, I'm afraid.

hewould.bsky.social•1 day ago

Minecraft.

skullcrobat-joker.bsky.social•1 day ago

I dont even know if this is AI like we've had procedural generation since Daggerfall is this not mostly the same kind of program??

hanimetion.bsky.social•1 day ago

It is in fact, just normal procedural generation software that's existed for decades

skullcrobat-joker.bsky.social•1 day ago

I'm assuming the purpose of OPs post is that nowadays people need it clarified what is and is not Al bc people are expected to think everything is Al now

reginaldcosmic.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's most unfortunate the way language regarding machines evolved to use "artificial intelligence" for whatever concept they wanted it to refer to.

cyberrb25.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's like saying that Epic Games has tried to use some UE5 features to sideline retopology and low-poly assetting as AI because it removes workers.

Guys, developers don't really do low-poly and retopology because they love the craft. They do it because they didn't have any alternative to high-poly.

billycupid.bsky.social•1 day ago

I may be wrong, but I recall Nintendo themselves used something similar for the trees in BotW…

cyberrb25.bsky.social•1 day ago

I'd even say that many terrain generation tools in game engines do make brushes that "generate" vegetation of different forms and sizes. For years before we started hearing AI as the slop machine.

weisseningblitz.bsky.social•1 day ago

I forget what they specifically called it, but I basically remember hearing about this stuff in the early 2000's and even saw some conceptual examples. Might have been Fractal Coding or something like that, but the idea to save man hours/sanity has definitely been around for a while.

billycupid.bsky.social•1 day ago

Very good point.

paulsrockinbluesky.bsky.social•1 day ago

which was also developed in part by members of monolith soft!

zerolifex00.bsky.social•1 day ago

I work in tech and absolutely do not want to use gen AI that uses other people's work.

But I am looking into possibilities for using it for in house developed things which I think could be very useful considering I'm part of a very small team.

balmut.bsky.social•1 day ago

The thing is, aren't the (current) models already trained on other peoples work?

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