I mean I just posted Zelensky himself not believing it in January 2022. Outside of US intelligence, which should always be distrusted, a lot of people didn't think Russia would invade because it would be incredibly stupid for them to do so, and it was. - ThreadSky

gray-ranger.bsky.social • 1 day ago

I mean I just posted Zelensky himself not believing it in January 2022. Outside of US intelligence, which should always be distrusted, a lot of people didn't think Russia would invade because it would be incredibly stupid for them to do so, and it was.

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doctorarmstrong.bsky.social•1 day ago

Your link doesn't say Zelensky didn't believe it. In fact here he is a week before predicting Russia's build up would mean invasion likely. Because it wasn't just US intel showing the activity by Russia

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/20/ukraine-russia-zelensky-interview/

doctorarmstrong.bsky.social•1 day ago

Zelensky's motivation was to stop an invasion happening. That could have been an off ramp for Putin. Instead he ramped it up. There was no attempt or deescalation from Putin when Zelensky offered it in Jan 22'. His Munich speech before the invasion outlined that.

gray-ranger.bsky.social•1 day ago

If I saw a military buildup at my border I would think that an invasion could be likely. Or that it could be posturing, like Chinese military exercises near Taiwan. It was not a certain thing, and the changing positions of Ukraine itself prove it.

doctorarmstrong.bsky.social•1 day ago

Ukraine did not change position. Did you even read that interview with Zelensky that happened BEFORE your linked comment? He predicted Russia would invaded, but wanted to stop it if he could by deescalating the talk. Putin chose to ramp it up as was his goal all along.

doctorarmstrong.bsky.social•1 day ago

He also said Ukraine would defend itself even without western support - a fact tankies also ignore because in their minds Ukraine has no agency and are just puppets. That's why I dislike them. Tankies are hypocritical, privileged and give more good faith to Putin than they ever dare to Zelensky

doctorarmstrong.bsky.social•1 day ago

I don't know if you are that way or not. Maybe not since you are criticising Russia for invading. The point I was making initially was simply they are the people who said it would never happen because Russia is the Good Side to defending why it was right to happen and even cheering it on

doctorarmstrong.bsky.social•1 day ago

Which the person I was responding to is 100% guilty of. I've seen their tweets. They're not anti-war or anti-imperialism at all.

gray-ranger.bsky.social•1 day ago

I don't like modern Russia. I'm a socialist. Putin helped dismantle the USSR with his US installed buddy Yeltsin and turned Russia into a capitalist hellhole. Invading Ukraine is stupid from moral and practical standpoints.

Things are more nuanced than Western liberal "tankie" blanket labels.

gray-ranger.bsky.social•1 day ago

https://archive.ph/20220120145921/https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-wants-to-destabilize-ukraine-not-invade-it-says-kyiv-security-chief-11642680656

Here's Oleksiy Danilov in January 2022 also doubting an invasion on the grounds of costs.

gray-ranger.bsky.social•1 day ago

My country signed economic treaties with Russia shortly before the invasion and quickly shot them down after it happened, surprised and pissed about it. Despite a close economic relationship that they intended to increase, they never thought they would actually fuck things up like that.

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