Cant say for sure the implications of the original imagery were intended, but if not, i can see what toby wanted to go for (loss of innocence, irreversibility) but also the scene is supposed to be HARROWING, it could have been intentional & then changed his mind. Still think a toggle could be used. - ThreadSky

squeakyllama.bsky.social • 9 days ago

Cant say for sure the implications of the original imagery were intended, but if not, i can see what toby wanted to go for (loss of innocence, irreversibility) but also the scene is supposed to be HARROWING, it could have been intentional & then changed his mind.
Still think a toggle could be used.

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dusktodusk94.bsky.social•9 days ago

Maybe by default have the censored version, but for those "in the know" they can hold a button down before the scene to trigger the original

squeakyllama.bsky.social•9 days ago

I dunno if Toby planned this scene like this from day 0, but maybe it was a reaction to the fandom, Ch2 weird route was horrible on it's on, yet it did not stop people from turning it into a joke and memes with time, was toby lashing out against that? you can't turn THIS into a joke.

squeakyllama.bsky.social•9 days ago

Very few video games achieve the feat of absolutely making the player feel like a scumbag for taking a morally reprehensible choice, and this...this is in another fucking level, it's horrifying, and the game makes sure to remind you that YOU, THE PLAYER are a piece of shit for doing this.

squeakyllama.bsky.social•9 days ago

It's like, even the undertale genocide route was not seen as this horrible, the existence of Chara even gave the fandom a escape goat to feel like it wasnt their fault, "look Chara is the genocide route reason, not me, im just a player"

But here, there is not that, you can't blame no one else.

squeakyllama.bsky.social•9 days ago

It really drives the point home how it depicts that you, the player, if you choose to do this, are ruining two characters' life, no you can't argue "Kris did this" you did this, you forced Kris to do it, they are not happy about it and their crash out is more than justified.

squeakyllama.bsky.social•9 days ago

I also want to add that, remember how Toby said there would never be Plushies of Noelle, Kris and Susie? I believe THIS is the reason why he doesn't want to make Noelle and Kris plushies.

Which means that Toby has a stronger moral backbone than the creators of Mouthwashing.

captoverkill.bsky.social•9 days ago

In been a long while since reading up on route made me go "Nah....I am good". I appreciate it there but I don't need to play it myself.

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