Svenskerne regnede sig frem til, for ca 2018, at det kostede ca 200,000 svenske kroner per time, at flyve NH-90. Reservdelerne skulle være dyre. Og lige vips købte de Blackhawks istedet, der ligger på ca 45,000 svenske kroner i timen. AW101 koster måske ikke meget mere. www.svt.se/nyheter/inri... - ThreadSky

miskaknapek.bsky.social • 25 days ago

Svenskerne regnede sig frem til, for ca 2018, at det kostede ca 200,000 svenske kroner per time, at flyve NH-90. Reservdelerne skulle være dyre.

Og lige vips købte de Blackhawks istedet, der ligger på ca 45,000 svenske kroner i timen.
AW101 koster måske ikke meget mere.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/forsvarets-helikopter-dyr-att-flyga

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andreaslindqvist.bsky.social•24 days ago

FAKs Esben Salling Larsen har et par gode bud på, hvad der bør gøres herfra.

At beholde Merlin'erne er ikke et af dem.

https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/forsvarets-helikopterudgifter-er-loebet-loebsk-pensioner-dem-og-koeb-noget

exotraveller.bsky.social•24 days ago

The link you posted makes it is clear that the cost of flying Merlin vs Seahawk is the same (within rounding errors). And quite often people who are having a problem with a known technology are willing to switch to another technology which comes with other (new and unknown) problems.

exotraveller.bsky.social•24 days ago

I think it is still interesting to see if the British, Norwegians, Canadians, Italians, Portuguese are having the same problems. In the past, it has been said that Denmark is having problems with spare parts because we want to buy them "just in time".

andreaslindqvist.bsky.social•24 days ago

I'm not saying you're wrong about your general points.

But the almost similar Seahawk-price is including airframe af far as I understand it

There's other prices below regarding operation that're probably more relevant in this setting.

andreaslindqvist.bsky.social•24 days ago

Would be interesting to know the corresponding total regarding Seahawk re the total maintenance cost over five years of 1,7 billion dkk for EH101.

miskaknapek.bsky.social•24 days ago

The Swedish and Finnish have had the same problems according to this and several other articles.

A friend in the German military says the same of their NH-90 experiences

https://bsky.app/profile/miskaknapek.bsky.social/post/3lhlgeglnc22y

exotraveller.bsky.social•24 days ago

It seems pretty clear that the NH-90 has problems. The Australians also retired them. That said, more than 500 has been build and they are stil producing them. So someone must "like" them.
I remember when SAS had problems with the Q400. Turned out that there were a few problems with the Q400 but ...

exotraveller.bsky.social•24 days ago

... SAS maintenance also had problems.
But SAS lost confidence in the aircraft. However, more than 1000 was produced and they are still flying and companies seem to like them. So perhaps the biggest problems was SAS. Could that be the same with the AW101? I don't know but worth considering.

miskaknapek.bsky.social•25 days ago

... anekdotisk siger finnerne at deres NH-90'er holdes billigere da de selve er gode til at reparere og vedligholde dem.

andreaslindqvist.bsky.social•25 days ago

Jeg ved ikke, hvordan svenskerne lavede regnestykket.

Men jeg læste lidt rundt til denne historie.

Inkl det hele koster de danske dkk 158.000 kroner i timen - 239.000 svenske kroner til den nuværende kurs.

https://www.ft.dk/samling/2023...

andreaslindqvist.bsky.social•25 days ago

Link der virker: https://www.ft.dk/samling/20231/almdel/fou/spm/272/svar/2087785/2935713/index.htm

miskaknapek.bsky.social•25 days ago

OK, jeg har kikket lidt videre (husker bare historierne fra 2018…men nu har jeg kikket lidt ekstra).

det er McKinsey der har regnet sig frem til driftsomkostningerne ( der mere nøjagtigt var 242,000 svenske kroner i timen, i 2018 (skr var ikke så svag dengang :)
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/l10LQ9/skenande-kostnader-for-forsvarets-nya-helikoptrar

miskaknapek.bsky.social•25 days ago

og… nu hvor jeg kikkede, virker det som at svenskerne er på vej at afvikle deres NG90 (hkp14 på svensk), ved at sælge halvdelen af flotten go samtidig købe end flere Blackhawks.

Forslag til Riksdagen og svar fra forsvarsministern Pål Jonsson i Serige

https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/skriftlig-fraga/avvecklingen-av-hkp14_hc1124/

andreaslindqvist.bsky.social•24 days ago

Så set på flyvetime-pris var svenskernes faktisk dyrere endnu.

I Danmark er den gennemsnitlige pris for at holde Merlin i luften 340 mio./år.

Altså uden lønninger og brændstof.

Da man købte, forestillede man sig 62 mio - 97 mio i nutidskroner - for hele flåden og væsentligt flere flyvetimer.

miskaknapek.bsky.social•24 days ago

Det virker som at driftsomkostningen på ca 40,000 skr i timen (2018) er bekræftet af Jonas Nellsjö, chef för helikopterflottiljen.

Artikeln har også nogle anekdoter fra finlands NH-90 som ikke ligefrem er solskinshistorier.

https://www.di.se/nyheter/forsvarets-helikopternota-200000-kronor-i-timmen/

vissing.bsky.social•24 days ago

McKinsey?!!!😱

miskaknapek.bsky.social•24 days ago

Svenskerne elsker konsulenter ...

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