'Life sentences' should not be a thing 'No parole' should not be a thing 'Youth with life sentences' should not be a thing 'Youth with life sentences with no parole' should not be a thing In conclusion: Incarceration should not be a thing - ThreadSky

sesmith.bsky.social • 362 days ago

'Life sentences' should not be a thing

'No parole' should not be a thing

'Youth with life sentences' should not be a thing

'Youth with life sentences with no parole' should not be a thing

In conclusion: Incarceration should not be a thing

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codenamesailorv.bsky.social•362 days ago

WHY are we incarcerating the kids? Do the kids even know WHY we are putting them in Forever Timeout?

The whole point of prison is to rehabilitate. What sense does it make to lock up a bunch of people whose brains have yet to fully form AND never give them a chance to prove they’ve rehabilitated?!?

sesmith.bsky.social•362 days ago

The whole point of prison is absolutely retributive, as noted by numerous people down thread! The notion that incarceration is rehabilitation was really driven by Victorian moralists who brought us other fun cultural concepts such as the charity model.

codenamesailorv.bsky.social•362 days ago

Exactly!! The rehabilitation aspect is just that little lie we tell ourselves to get to bed at night. It has never been about rehabilitation.

Heck, the fact that we have for-profit prison should really spell that out for many! They need risk management, mental health services, housing after, etc!!!

ichthysaur.bsky.social•362 days ago

ichthysaur.bsky.social•362 days ago

That is not the whole point. The prospect of a prison sentence is intended to serve as a deterrent. Whether you think it does is immaterial. See all the "do the crime, do the time" messages. Also, during the time a criminal is locked up, they are not able to prey on society.

codenamesailorv.bsky.social•362 days ago

So, what about programs that actually rehabilitate. Punishment may be a deterrent, but as a behavioral scientist, I must say that punishment tends to be the less effective method. It teaches fear, not an actual positive change in behavior.

And they can be kept from society in more humane ways. 🤷

fjmag1979.bsky.social•362 days ago

It's the same with death penalty: it's supposes death penalty would avoid other persons do/make that felonies, and GUESS WHAT!? IT DOESN'T AVOID THEM!

ichthysaur.bsky.social•362 days ago

The fact remains that that is a stated reason for it.

codenamesailorv.bsky.social•362 days ago

So your reasoning pretty much boils down to “it is what it is?” Your counterpoint is that you don’t like that other people have points?

I mean, the discussion here is about how prisons aren’t doing what they are intended. And your response is simply “But they SAID so!!”

paintedplanula.bsky.social•362 days ago

"The purpose of a system is what it does."

ichthysaur.bsky.social•362 days ago

I am only pointing out that rehabilitation is not the whole point of prison.

What should have been done with Ted Bundy? John Wayne Gacy? Jeffrey Dahmer? Any way you have of keeping them from society could be termed prison or incarceration.

codenamesailorv.bsky.social•362 days ago

Fair enough. I’m just stating the fallacy with the prison system itself. What it’s stated to be intended for and what it actually is.

With any systems, there are flaws. In this regard, the flaw is that it is not actually helping society

And in all of those cases, therapy. All of them need therapy

codenamesailorv.bsky.social•362 days ago

There’s a difference between being locked away for years due to being a danger to everyone and getting locked up because you smoked weed one time.

In cases where you have someone with that many mental issues, behavioral tactics are to be used. Or addressing the legal system as a whole…

lizardry.bsky.social•362 days ago

Asking questions like that just reveal that you have never once engaged with abolitionist teachings.

lizardry.bsky.social•362 days ago

You build a society in which people like that never have the chance to grow and flourish in the first place.

ladyasterianox.bsky.social•362 days ago

If you want to be picky about 'the whole point', you missed a few.

https://www.raphaelrowefoundation.org/latest-news/the-purpose-of-prisons

ladyasterianox.bsky.social•362 days ago

https://open.lib.umn.edu/criminallaw/chapter/1-5-the-purposes-of-punishment/

ladyasterianox.bsky.social•362 days ago

And if you think prison sentences are an effective deterrent...

https://daily.jstor.org/rethinking-prison-as-a-deterrent-to-future-crime/

ladyasterianox.bsky.social•362 days ago

https://www.vera.org/news/research-shows-that-long-prison-sentences-dont-actually-improve-safety#:~:text=A%202021%20meta%2Danalysis%20of,and%20can%20actually%20increase%20it.

ichthysaur.bsky.social•362 days ago

My pickiness about "the whole point" is that the whole point is not rehabilitation. Does your link contradict this?

ladyasterianox.bsky.social•362 days ago

My links say you did not include the whole point.

ichthysaur.bsky.social•362 days ago

My comments say that I never said I did or thought I did or even wanted to.

jayemp.bsky.social•362 days ago

Children are famous for their ability to understand cause and effect

dextersaysmeow.bsky.social•362 days ago

FF'sS...

abuamirah1020.bsky.social•362 days ago

Hmmm, I wonder how many of those youtes are white?

sesmith.bsky.social•361 days ago

jsyk you're welcome to defend the prison system all you want on your own page but it will get you blocked here because I find you boring and annoying

omgitsbees.bsky.social•362 days ago

Especially when you realize how many innocent people actually go to prison, and how heavily the prison system profits off it.

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