I'm sorry but "anti-zionist" stopped being an exclusively in-house term the moment zionism as a force in the world started impacting people other than Jews in ways which might inspire them to be against it. This is really 101, like, Edward Said stuff - ThreadSky

souptism.bsky.social • 28 days ago

I'm sorry but "anti-zionist" stopped being an exclusively in-house term the moment zionism as a force in the world started impacting people other than Jews in ways which might inspire them to be against it. This is really 101, like, Edward Said stuff

Comments

loudpenitent.bsky.social•28 days ago

A non-Jew does not get to dictate what an ideology about Jewish survival is. He may of course comment on its effects, but he does not have insider knowledge here.

souptism.bsky.social•28 days ago

I would content that Palestinians at the very least have just as much insider knowledge on zionism as Jews, seeing as zionism impacts Jews and Palestinians both on world-defining national levels. It stopped being exclusively about Jewish survival when it left the coffee shops and papers

loudpenitent.bsky.social•28 days ago

Nope.

Palestinians have *outsider knowledge* on Zionism. They are, fundamentally, not insiders. They have been victimized by Zionist governments. But Zionism is not about, by, or for them, and is not concerned with their survival or community.

Palestinian advocacy is advocacy *for Palestine*.

souptism.bsky.social•28 days ago

You could say the same about any oppressive force or ideology in the world. Of course oppressive forces/ideologies are unconcerned with their victims, that doesn't mean their victims can't be against them

souptism.bsky.social•28 days ago

If zionism includes imposing its vision on unrelated peoples (which it necessarily does) then those people's have every right to oppose zionism outright, not just its "effects". Zionism is nothing more than the sum of its real-world effects

souptism.bsky.social•28 days ago

Ig this is really the crux of the issue. You think zionism is a patented idea Jews have exclusive rights to, I think zionism is a political movement imposing its vision on reality, and the effects of that imposition are the only thing that can actually define it

souptism.bsky.social•28 days ago

We can have our own in-house debates about what zionism, as a real-world movement defined by its effects, has meant for Jews, but there will always be a simultaneous debate about what it means for Palestinians, and either can oppose it as defined by its effects on them

souptism.bsky.social•28 days ago

Yes, there is a related in-house debate along the lines you laid out here, but that debate left the confines of the Jewish world the moment that zionists decided to use force to impose the vision of zionism onto innocent, uninvolved people. Anti-zionist can equally mean opposing that imposition

Comments

Posting Rules

Reply