Even within Jewish self-definitions, belief is pretty low on the list of things that are required for someone to be considered Jewish, and there are extremely limited circumstances where someone can cease to be Jewish. You're just plain wrong about this - ThreadSky

souptism.bsky.social • 27 days ago

Even within Jewish self-definitions, belief is pretty low on the list of things that are required for someone to be considered Jewish, and there are extremely limited circumstances where someone can cease to be Jewish. You're just plain wrong about this

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voodoog.bsky.social•27 days ago

The claim to being a folk or a people is based entirely on religious scripture not on any sense of nationality.
You can make this argument about Israeli Jews but not Judaism as a whole, because again it is a religion no matter how it manifests culturally it's all based around a faith in God.

souptism.bsky.social•27 days ago

That's just not how Judaism works, you're imposing the Christian concept of faith onto it. You're not helping anyone's cause by redefining Judaism in terms you can more easily understand

souptism.bsky.social•27 days ago

That doesn't mean Judaism is a "race" or mono-ethnic, but it has components more similar to ethnicity than to the Christian concept of faith, which you're incorrectly imposing on it. The vast majority of Jews have no "beleif" in the religion, they're still Jews

voodoog.bsky.social•27 days ago

So no, if you're born jewish and you renounce the religion of Judaism you are no longer a Jew.

dalassa.bsky.social•27 days ago

Jewishness has an ethnic component as well as a religious component. That’s how you can have atheist Jews.

souptism.bsky.social•27 days ago

That is simply not how Judaism works in the real world, and something like 50% of Jews would have something to say to the contrary, given something like 50% of Jews are irrilegious/secular

voodoog.bsky.social•27 days ago

That is like saying being born into a muslim faith makes you muslim automatically no matter how your belief is. Christian, Jewish, Muslim doesn't matter.If you renounce your religion you are no longer part of that religion no matter with which you started out with because they are all made up.

souptism.bsky.social•27 days ago

Because Judaism isn't Islam! It works differently! Please I'm trying to explain this to you nicely but it's frankly getting offensive

souptism.bsky.social•27 days ago

Aside from using "Palestinian" as a dehumanizing brand labeling someone an enemy of the state, a smaller reason why what Trump is saying here is bad is that he's somehow given himself the authority to also brand people un-Jews worthy of persecution for breaking from state-approved Jewishness

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