If you want to talk about Israel and Palestine in mainstream American politics or the US Jewish Community, you are required to pretend that the politics and beliefs of the Israeli Minister of Finance are completely immaterial to the politics and actions of the Israeli government. - ThreadSky

goldwagnathan.bsky.social • 2 days ago

If you want to talk about Israel and Palestine in mainstream American politics or the US Jewish Community, you are required to pretend that the politics and beliefs of the Israeli Minister of Finance are completely immaterial to the politics and actions of the Israeli government.

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Smotrich's lectern with "Greater Israel" here. At the same conference, he also declared "there is no such thing as a Palestinian people".

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tautou.bsky.social•2 days ago

Ben-Gvir has(let's be real, he never removed it) a portrait of Baruch Goldstein on his wall.

You just gotta accept it as normal or you're branded a deranged antisemite.

scotsdragon.bsky.social•2 days ago

It's actually kind of infuriating how open the Israeli government is about all of this stuff and yet much of mainstream politics centres around denying it outright.

dillo.media•2 days ago

same with people saying stuff like "it's just the government not the Israeli people!" when the atrocities are polling at like 70%+ support and many thinking that the idf isn't going far enough

goldwagnathan.bsky.social•2 days ago

A lot of it is genuine cognitive dissonance rather than deliberate deception, but it all comes out to the same result.

voltron64.bsky.social•2 days ago

"It is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it."

erichluepke.bsky.social•2 days ago

I'm sick of this irredentist nonsense.

radowtizky.bsky.social•2 days ago

There was a Dershowitz-Finkelstein debate redux months ago and when Finkelstein brought up genocidal statements by Netanyahu, iirc Dersh claimed it was irrelevant to policy and besides, Netanyahu would be out of office soon. I guess being PM for most of past 3 decades makes your opinion irrelevant.

tristanedge.bsky.social•2 days ago

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/7/30/20746983/alan-dershowitz-jeffrey-epstein-sarah-ransome-giuffre

smellybutler.bsky.social•2 days ago

There are so many people who believe that their romanticized abstract idea of what Israel is has more bearing on israeli government policy than the actual politicians that create that policy

larry4334.bsky.social•1 day ago

I guess he likes always wars. Idiot. His map will be the destruction of Israel. The only solution is a 2-state solution as long as both sides r willing to negotiate & neither side wants the other dead as the ultimate goal. Seems like both Palestinians and Israelis r meeting at the horseshoe bottom.

northquab.bsky.social•2 days ago

Every time I mentioned Gallant's "human animals" comment, the response was always some variant of "no fair, you aren't allowed to bring that up". Totally shocked me every time, the self-delusion of some people is beyond insane

kfranzoni.bsky.social•2 days ago

This guy also believes Jordan is not a real country and should be annexed!

kfranzoni.bsky.social•2 days ago

The king cannot keep ignoring this and playing nice with Israel knowing he could be next!

50megatonfbomb.bsky.social•2 days ago

I've been an Israeli critic for 20 years, but I didn't abandon the premise of liberal zionism until I was told that "from the river to the see" was genocidal if a Palestinian said it but not if the government of Israel said it.

citizensavage.bsky.social•2 days ago

So much of American politics on key issues involves incredible self-deception about reality and elite worship of secret insider information or hidden internal beliefs. All in-service of preserving a nostalgic status quo. People with power wish history ended in 1991.

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