I’ve tried to be fair but if we now face tax hikes & cuts to public services to fill a £20bn black hole in the public finances we must have an honest discussion about the negative impact of Brexit & the role it has played in creating it youtu.be/oDFFcN--2Ic?... - ThreadSky

peterstefanovic.bsky.social • 185 days ago

I’ve tried to be fair but if we now face tax hikes & cuts to public services to fill a £20bn black hole in the public finances we must have an honest discussion about the negative impact of Brexit & the role it has played in creating it
https://youtu.be/oDFFcN--2Ic?si=O41zh1EkueHYiwUn

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thirdwhaletrip.bsky.social•183 days ago

Yes - and with it the corrupt deals and missing millions through the Covid debacle. 🤔

sophiemac.bsky.social•183 days ago

Mainly the corruption. But also the fact that austerity doesn't work, so Starmer will only mske things worse

autisticmumto3.bsky.social•183 days ago

Corruption, mismanagement,etc, etc. & yes Austerity does not work & we'll have 5+ more years of decline.

pledgeforeurope.bsky.social•183 days ago

So there's a separate £40bn tax black hole entirely due to Brexit, and we have Bloomberg to thank for shining a light on it. But Rachel's busy talking about the 20bn one because it's easier to fill. Got it.

Apologies to any cosmologists reading this.

sandnesharry.bsky.social•184 days ago

Billions lost to useless/corrupt covid contracts (PPE ?) to tory donors that has not been reclaimed is also a big part of the hole.

ferrickbrick.bsky.social•185 days ago

That whole approach is a political one. The way to grow is through government investing in the people and the things that the people need. Create real jobs with real pay levels and watch the money circulate the economy; instead of being hoarded by greedy bastards who will never have enough.

angelaleeuk.bsky.social•185 days ago

And also a discussion about why elected Local Government is about £6b down but we are pouring at least £8b a year into unelectedSpecial Economic Zones/Freeports. And don’t give me that old “trickledown” bollocks. It just pours more money down the drain of the already rich.

brexitbin.bsky.social•184 days ago

Labour have no narrative. Their only message was "get the Tories out". But now they're out, Starmer and Reeves still use the Tories as a crutch to lean on, as a substitute for any vision. The reason they have no narrative is Brexit. Because it underminds all arguments for growth, prosperity and joy.

gandalfpc.bsky.social•183 days ago

Nice rant, but it is far more than Brexit and we keep getting confirmation things were worse because the Tories lied. Given we have yet to have a budget or anything how do you know there is no vision? Starmer is starting to sort Brexit, but that will also take years.

o-loughl.in•183 days ago

My issue is pointless red lines. Be honest “even if the uk wanted to rejoin it’s not for the uk to decide” This also goes for any agreements, the UK will have to accept the EU has desires. That it will have to offer the EU something if it wants improved trade, travel, and food supply

gandalfpc.bsky.social•183 days ago

"honest discussion ... negative impact of Brexit etc." We have, and its irrelevant. We won't be back in for at least 20 years. What we need is an honest discussion about sorting out all the other disasters that we can address, without endlessly hating on Starmer and Brexit navel gazing.

brexitbin.bsky.social•183 days ago

20 years is nonsense.

gandalfpc.bsky.social•183 days ago

Why?

gandalfpc.bsky.social•183 days ago

Pointless red lines keep the wazzocks happy. " " does apply to any negotiation, but most are between willing partners. Bit different rejoining in this situation, i.e. I am honest. We have to show sincerity to all nations not just Bruxelles, that is also being honest.

andyking.bsky.social•183 days ago

The idea that we can just rejoin is so stupid.

brexitbin.bsky.social•183 days ago

Who's saying we can "just" rejoin. There is a process. But it all starts with the first step. And a near supermajority in Britain want to take that first step.

gandalfpc.bsky.social•183 days ago

Try reading what various evangelicals have posted.
'But it all starts with the first step.' Try accepting that is exactly what Starmer is doing. A supermajority is a specifically US thing and 51% ± 3% is not really a majority is it.

gandalfpc.bsky.social•183 days ago

Indeed Andy, but then there's nowt so queer as folk.

tintenfische.bsky.social•185 days ago

Sure, I'll start. Brexit has been an unmitigated and entirely predictable disaster. But now what? We can't rejoin the EU, SM/CU that's not a gift within our power to deliver. That's up to the members and we've spent a decade insulting them. So now what? What have we got of worth to the EU?

tintenfische.bsky.social•185 days ago

That they don't have access to already. Brexit has been a disaster, so much so there's practically zero chance of us being accepted back for a very very long time. So now what? How do we rebuild our economy?

gandalfpc.bsky.social•183 days ago

Nice to read reality for a change. What's in the budget?

swisskate.bsky.social•185 days ago

People have to accept the fact that there is a problem with our economy and frankly with our society as a whole which is going to take hard work to resolve. A ridiculously organised referendum has compromised our future and I don't know how we're going to recover.

chris17jn.bsky.social•184 days ago

It was ridiculous and reckless. I’d like to think there is a way back in for us but there will not be the terms we had before. M. Barnier has said, “The door is open,” but we need to push on it.

gandalfpc.bsky.social•183 days ago

M. Barnier was being a tad disingenuous.

chris17jn.bsky.social•183 days ago

You are probably right - we are kidding ourselves if we think it will be that easy. 😕

tintenfische.bsky.social•183 days ago

He was, the idea that France who are making out like bandits from Brexit will welcome us back in with open arms is a nonsense. I think we've really really hurt ourselves with no way to actually fix things except by causing massive pain in the short to medium term.

gandalfpc.bsky.social•183 days ago

Agreed, but rather a lot of people just want to criticise Starmer rather than face reality, the Tories are a shambles and ReformUKplc is counterproductive other than for Nige.

robin.bobin.uk•183 days ago

Actually, there couldn’t be a better PR coup for the EU than a member rejoining. It’s also better for their own economies. So they’ll be keen for us to rejoin.

The biggest hurdle is internally. I think those who feel disenfranchised need to see efforts to improve their situations first. #UKPolitics

sinurata.bsky.social•185 days ago

I want there to be more honesty about this. But the main reason people voted for Brexit was immigration and opposition to freedom of movement. The economic argument is totally irrelevant to those people.

arj2024.bsky.social•184 days ago

Exactly. Sadly these people are too thick to understand that UK demographics means we need younger workers to come to the country.

The alternative is to scrap pensions and force people to work until they drop. I don’t suppose they’ll like that idea being generally pretty old themselves.

mermak.bsky.social•185 days ago

I just don’t get why they are so reluctant to tax companies’ record profits and billionaires but continue to take it out on the poorest by cutting their benefits 🤷‍♀️

sinurata.bsky.social•185 days ago

Well, if you think about the reaction to the non-doms tax and VAT on public school fees pledges, and the endless daily screaming in virtually EVERY SINGLE NEWS OUTLET about those progressive tax ideas, and then multiply it by dozens...maybe that will give you some sense of why Labour shied away....

mermak.bsky.social•185 days ago

The dominant right-wing press calls the tune…

mermak.bsky.social•185 days ago

Yes… sigh, thanks

jakkb77.bsky.social•184 days ago

The Brexit shambles continues to deliver !! The UK was totally duped by lies,lies and lies !!

sipickles.bsky.social•184 days ago

Labour needs to be a lot more positive and ambitious. More austerity is not the answer

paulineandrews.bsky.social•184 days ago

Agree! We wanted change, yet the party that can offer that, is risk averse.

sallyinfrance.bsky.social•184 days ago

Too bloody right ! 😡

chicchick.bsky.social•185 days ago

I totally agree with that, just why the previous lot refused to admit our woes started with brexit, well most of it.

lesleylids.bsky.social•185 days ago

Tax the massive profits from energy companies
They’re rubbing there hands with joy,shareholders and coining it in and the hard working man is paying the price

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