While zero dependencies is practically impossible, everyone I've spoken to agrees that minimizing dependencies is ideal. Rust and JavaScript work against this ideal. But they could change at any time. And Bun and Deno are already examples of this. notes.eatonphil.com/2025-01-25-a... - ThreadSky

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eatonphil.bsky.social • 37 days ago

While zero dependencies is practically impossible, everyone I've spoken to agrees that minimizing dependencies is ideal. Rust and JavaScript work against this ideal. But they could change at any time. And Bun and Deno are already examples of this.

https://notes.eatonphil.com/2025-01-25-an-explosion-of-transitive-dependencies.html

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hjvt.dev•35 days ago

Including batteries in your stdlib requires a different approach to stability than what Rust promises. Rus can pretty much never remove anything from the stdlib, so bundles batteries for anything that isn't a solved problem is risky.

gwenshap.bsky.social•34 days ago

Worth pointing out that both popular PG clients (postgres.js and node-postgres) don't have dependencies.

blen.blinsay.com•36 days ago

the flip side of this is something like the JVM/JDK where you have a multi-year effort (project jigsaw) to break up the stdlib and debloat it because it's spent to long accumulating garbage and VM that folks don't want anymore

taco.cat•36 days ago

Jigsaw felt like a pyrrhic victory in that it left users sprinkling a potpourri of —add-exports/—add-opens to “make things work” without actually removing the modular components from the distribution.

Tough to deprecate and remove API surface that’s accreted a decade of use in random projects. ://

snoogin.bsky.social•35 days ago

Although I think this is a good idea in practice, a small standard library can improve compilation times.

There possibly could be ways to split the standard library up into many modules that can be included as needed, but I think a smaller standard library is preferable.

dlmanning.bsky.social•35 days ago

You’re contrasting JavaScript and Rust with two JavaScript platforms.

nekotachi.bsky.social•36 days ago

It's worth noting that the rust standard library has already promised not to release a 2.0 version.

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