What then ?
4 or 8 years later the same deranged voters vote in a new lunatic.....
No way - US is our enemy - they need out including all their bases and military installations - enemy nests.
1) European countries form their own alliance (EDF) that includes Ukraine possibly with Canada and Turkey as members as well. Or US will leave NATO thus ending up with the same result.
2) This alliance will have tactical and in future also strategic nuclear weapons independent of US.
The US may leave NATO, allegedly for budgetary reasons. But given how the US has fulfilled its security obligations to Ukraine, this will not be a major loss. But Europe will become stronger and will rely on itself.
Trump will betray
Ukraine and Nato. He only cares about making money and his friends to make money. The Europeans know he's not a reliable partner so they will spend more on defence and hope Russia is not going to attack again.
I wrote this early today that there will not be a NATO. Trump and his cronies are looking to get out. Or there will be something where the US is a no show. They can't right now because congress has to approve. Sad but true.
The USA will not leave nato but focus on Asia, the eu ramps up defence production and protection of Europe and the top part of the world. Us tariffs cause a decline in us market power with Europe. And when the eu does not need the us, a new world order is established. With 3 blocks America, Eu, Asia
Europe need to quit Nato and let american deal like the big boy they think they are with china problem that is not for Europe and build his own defense frame with real europeans defense spend and industry then integrate who want to join.
First establish a new NATO structure without the US, second create a nuclear deterant that can match Russia and that will mean huge investment, and third build an army, navy and air force nessesary to be an deterant even without nuclear force. Second phase is hardest, third is the easy part.
Remember that the nuclear part of NATO is the far most import one, everything else is way off. And the nuclear deterant is highly political, can’t exist inside some vacume.
It's tricky, and we can't forget Trump's a bag of uncontrollably chatter, but if he goes forward with some threats of dismantling Nato, the natural adaptation would be for the European Alliances to take its place, approach It's members, set goals, and leave the USA to, well, the USA.
As the US destroys its economy, shreds its democracy and loses its cultural appeal, all non-US core polities need to join the United Federation -- a military, economic and political alliance of Australia, Canada, the EU-27, Japan, New Zealand, Norway, South Korea, Taiwan and Ukraine.
I don't know if NATO will continue to exist, but it has become somewhat of a multi-headed monster. When it's most important member can become an unreliable partner, it's time to start looking at something else.
Who cares? The EU and NATO are non-democratic. No free speech. No democracy. Cut them off. The US should never give $1.00 to EU, NATO or any other country that doesn't have free speech and a true Democracy. It's against everything we believe in.
How's the book banning going? Or the banned words in the white house? Trans people are banned, abortions are banned, unapproved press are banned from the white house, DEI is banned, equality, all banned.
Press have been sued and silenced.
And Trump is threatening to invade other countries. 🤡
Lol, try to buy a book called "Unintended Consequences." Been banned from the government before the guys thought they were gals, and gals thought they were guys.
You sound like a broken record.
You can't even do independent thinking parotting talking points.
🇺🇲 is where free speech is under pressure - this platform Boosting MAGA - shadow banning opposition.
What Vance did to 🇪🇺 was totally unacceptable interference.
🇺🇲 Is a traitor and enemy.
Get out of 🇪🇺.
Now, don't get me wrong your right to an extent. However, things are a changing. Rapidly. Just hold on to your seat, the BOSS hasn't been in the chair for a full month.
It will only happen if they stop buying american weapons that they can choose to switch off when they dont want that you strike this target or another and feed american war economy instead the europeans one
The only way is an European defense with all country in Europe buy and produce.
No matter where but europeans can work together to build very good weapon and in the same time increase the economy of the continent by doing this i m so surprise its not already the case.
When you buy a F35 you throw the money of europeans in the hand of americans its basis economy level.
1/ UE countries, canada, iceland, leave nato. Will remain an empty shell with usa and turkey.
2/UK join back UE
3/ France and UK become the nuclear umbrella of europe
4/ An european army
5/ ukraine and canada join UE
6/ Usa conti'ue to seek in fascism
7/ russia is destroyed
#SlavaUkraini
The only problem is Uk nuke are technicaly USA nuke since the only one that can use and deploy them are american and also they control all the vector.
But still they should come back in Europe and cooperate with France to create a real europeans defense frame and have their own nuke.
1. EU becomes a federation
2. EU has its own army. Defense industry.
3. EU becomes capable of providing for its own security
4. EU becomes economically competitive again
5. There are no EU nations part of NATO, just EU.
None of the points above is possible, IMO
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Winston Churchill was right - the crocodile will not stop.
As long Trump is in charge, America out of the NATO.
4 or 8 years later the same deranged voters vote in a new lunatic.....
No way - US is our enemy - they need out including all their bases and military installations - enemy nests.
2) This alliance will have tactical and in future also strategic nuclear weapons independent of US.
Ukraine and Nato. He only cares about making money and his friends to make money. The Europeans know he's not a reliable partner so they will spend more on defence and hope Russia is not going to attack again.
This apply for EU and Europe.
Second, kick insufficient countries out of the organizations. If US wants to leave NATO, so be it. And take Hungary with you
Europe needs a NATO that works without the US.
With Republicans in power the USA is not an ally, it is part of our problem.
Any cent provided militarily to 🇺🇦 now is a € saved later.... that and million of European lives.
Your hate towards Europe is disgusting Ivan.
Press have been sued and silenced.
And Trump is threatening to invade other countries. 🤡
You can't even do independent thinking parotting talking points.
🇺🇲 is where free speech is under pressure - this platform Boosting MAGA - shadow banning opposition.
What Vance did to 🇪🇺 was totally unacceptable interference.
🇺🇲 Is a traitor and enemy.
Get out of 🇪🇺.
Do you know your own constitution ?
The only way is an European defense with all country in Europe buy and produce.
When you buy a F35 you throw the money of europeans in the hand of americans its basis economy level.
2/UK join back UE
3/ France and UK become the nuclear umbrella of europe
4/ An european army
5/ ukraine and canada join UE
6/ Usa conti'ue to seek in fascism
7/ russia is destroyed
#SlavaUkraini
But still they should come back in Europe and cooperate with France to create a real europeans defense frame and have their own nuke.
2. EU has its own army. Defense industry.
3. EU becomes capable of providing for its own security
4. EU becomes economically competitive again
5. There are no EU nations part of NATO, just EU.
None of the points above is possible, IMO
if they are militarily attacked by a NATO member USA ???
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