Just had a disturbing conversation with a young 20-something kid. It started with "Not Carney! Oh no Canada is screwed". He then proceeded to say he doesn't care about "old people", he wants "everything we were given 15 years ago" and he wants a govt that will "balance the books". Wtf? - ThreadSky

col4bin.bsky.social • 14 hours ago

Just had a disturbing conversation with a young 20-something kid. It started with "Not Carney! Oh no Canada is screwed". He then proceeded to say he doesn't care about "old people", he wants "everything we were given 15 years ago" and he wants a govt that will "balance the books". Wtf?

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resist42.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Indoctrinating the youth was Hitler’s primary goal. It is also the primary goal of MAGA. No doubt American misinformation is spreading on your side of the boarder.

ladyjadyn.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Early 20s boys are the bane of society

col4bin.bsky.social•13 hours ago

I'm beginning to think so, yes. This weekend I heard some talking about a young woman with this disgusting attitude like she was something to "take" and perhaps she had some "friends to bring along". It really gave me a bad feeling about our future. What can we do?

ladyjadyn.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Ostracise trash and murder them if they're Nazis

purplevh80.bsky.social•12 hours ago

No idea what he is talking about.

1st-world-nonsense.bsky.social•13 hours ago

My goddaughter, 25, and I had a discussion about who to vote for. I asked what she wants for her future & the kind of world. Then had her ask ChatGPT what each parties platform is & what Canada would be like under each given the current climate… like most voters they want to know what’s in it for me

col4bin.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Somehow I think there is benefit in shifting the conversation from "me" to "we". A strong, secure, vibrant and productive society comes with the teamwork of many.

1st-world-nonsense.bsky.social•13 hours ago

I agree. In my experience, determining the “me” part first, opens the door to the “we” part…

buttercut.bsky.social•12 hours ago

The ME ME ME is the only problem with the world, in a nutshell!

col4bin.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Its a huge problem. We live in a society here, people! Nobody gets anything without the hard work of others.

1st-world-nonsense.bsky.social•12 hours ago

It’s up to us to show our kids how. Look at what they have grown up with… I will say that the Gen-Z and young Millennials I know, mostly girls and young women, do think about inclusivity and how to make the world better.

buttercut.bsky.social•12 hours ago

We all need to encourage this, in these young people!

col4bin.bsky.social•12 hours ago

If only I had the time and energy! I'm exhausted from working to pay off the house they live in and provide the food they eat!

buttercut.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Something seems to be seriously missing in many (not all) of the young generation. There is evident LAZINESS, in both mind and body. They care nothing about a work ethic. Want all the perks and comforts for minimal effort.
I wonder: how were they raised?

1st-world-nonsense.bsky.social•12 hours ago

If I had to guess? Their parents had it hard & wanted an easier life for their kids & did everything for them. I remember my brothers age 10+ having to walk to the arena (20mins), lugging their hockey bag, in -25 weather at 7AM. My neighbour drives her son 3
blocks so he doesn’t have to carry his…

buttercut.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Right---not doing them any favours at all. Keeping them weak, dependent. Someone who is always kept in a comfort zone is rendered pretty much useless to themselves and society.

col4bin.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Technology I think plays a big role. Today with phones and internet there's no reason to leave the house for that connection. The dopamine fills the need. Before that, we had to get out there to experience things and communicate in person to get that dopamine. I dont know, just spit balling.

buttercut.bsky.social•12 hours ago

You're absolutely right (in my humble opinion). Working from home is a terrible thing for young people--it contributes nothing to their growth, social skills, problem-solving. They get to stay in their 'nest', their comfort zone. Any life challenges are greatly reduced.

captain-corona.bsky.social•13 hours ago

You were talking to an idiot. In WW1 idiots were cannon fodder.

col4bin.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Hmmm, on the surface I would agree. But everyone has their reasons for thinking the way they do, and just because I don't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong. But I admit, I have a really hard time understanding it.

captain-corona.bsky.social•13 hours ago

I get what you’re saying. In this kids case he will gain knowledge and experience over time hopefully. Whether that changes his mind, who knows. I move on quickly from these people. If he circles back, I may entertain a discussion. To me he’s lost and confused at this stage.

seves76.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Unfortunately, there are many that believe what he said and the algorithms have done a good job to feed a steady stream of disinformation to the younger generations.

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Its mind blowingly shocking how good those algorithms have worked. It seems to be a specific demographic that is most easily tricked. Or perhaps socio economic status or some kind of psychological factor like how they perceive they've been "treated" compared to others.

sheandsteveb.bsky.social•14 hours ago

We need to take our youngens under our wing and explain in gamer talk! It’s not their fault the grew up in a disconnected society 🤨

grammies5.bsky.social•25 minutes ago

These kids are entitled brats and are screwing theirselves because of their ignorance!

itmustbebunnies.bsky.social•13 hours ago

I had a twenty something tradesperson in Alberta say

“We should have done what Norway did!”

“We did it was called the Nation Energy Program”

“Google it”

annie56.bsky.social•14 hours ago

I hope you set him straight.

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

I tried, but the level of disinformation that has been instilled in this person was shocking. Like a forcefield of stupidity

annie56.bsky.social•14 hours ago

This is my greatest fear. They believe the Bull Crap

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

There's a reason why Russia invests so much in disinformation campaigns: they work!

resist42.bsky.social•11 hours ago

This is how it all started here in America. You would have a shocking conversation with one or two people. Before you know it your whole family is in a cult and you have to disown them all. You’re left with just your spouse, trying to survive fascism. I hope Canada can overcome what we did not.

ritasimone.bsky.social•14 hours ago

He sounds like my sister. Also in Ontario. I feel like we are living in 2 different realities. It's mind boggling.

bcreality.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Maybe ask him how things are going in the USA when Trump promised all the same things that Poilievre is. He probably doesn't follow US politics or has fallen for sado populism!

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

I said a lot of the Poilievre talking points are echoed by Trump, and there is a close tie to MAGA rhetoric. He kept hammering this point of "balancing the books" and how it will benefit his kids. I asked how balancing the budget would help him right now, today, noting it would mean massive cuts.

merryroze.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Sounds like he’s been listening to Poilievre. He’s been indoctrinated to the cult.

col4bin.bsky.social•12 hours ago

I agree. It's like we need interventions for these people.

stevie-yyc.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Oh, he recently saw his Boomer grandpa who “worked hard for everything he got” without telling the kid it was during the biggest economic and opportunity boom ever seen in North America and that Con politicians always cut his taxes, making future gens (the kid) pay for it.

llm61.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Does he know Conservatives NEVER balance the books? Tell him to stop watching Joe Rogan.

col4bin.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Yes that was mentioned!! And I immediately thought of Rogan. It's crazy.

llm61.bsky.social•3 hours ago

I am appalled for young people. Home ownership is just a dream. However, they need to understand that housing is a provincial responsibility, not federal. When we were in our first home, interest rates were almost 20%. What they need are strong unions. Conservatives do not support them or the CPP.

mamajkmcc.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Check his Twitter account

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Nope, not going on that shit cesspool ever again

kayiso64.bsky.social•11 hours ago

😵‍💫

Given?

I think it’s called going to school, paying student debt, living on our own and working.

truthseeker73863.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Sounds like another Con influenced brainwashed kid, rural Alberta?

kgirl7.bsky.social•6 hours ago

Don't blame it all on Alberta. We've got a lot of maga country in Ontario as well

lemoutonnoir.bsky.social•4 hours ago

Genocidal hatred of older generations has become absolutely standard among his age group. You can see it here on Blue Sky any day.

canucksoul.bsky.social•1 hour ago

I have to resist the urge to say "Grow the f--- up". My sympathetic side reminds me I had similar feelings in my 20's of the "unfairness of it all" - But I also had hope. Add russian targeted disinformation and this generation is extremely vulnerable.

wellgoodelsie.bsky.social•11 hours ago

I’m really concerned about the number of young people who have their community solely online. It creates such a disconnect between them and their neighbours. Also, sounds like he’s just parroting some toxic bs he heard online. The individualistic narcissism that is prevalent today is also concerning

savant2011.bsky.social•13 hours ago

20 something?? Don't forget that his brain is not fully developed until he is 27, so once that hopefully will happen, he may see things a little differently! Talking with 1/2 a brain makes life tough!!

jimmer50.bsky.social•11 hours ago

I guess there are crazies everywhere.

tazsmom.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Oh to be young and nieve.... he's going to learn real quick about the real world

karenatsharon.bsky.social•1 hour ago

15 years ago house prices were less than 1/2 of what they are now. And yes in the 80's mortgages were 12%. But my first house purchase was 30000ish in Peterborough in 1985. Much of the increase in house prices were COVID related but also because of the removal in Ontario of rent control and

karenatsharon.bsky.social•1 hour ago

Governments at all levels in the 2000 getting out of affordable housing. There is not enough inventory and developers can charge a lot. Do I agree that Carney will be bad? No. But do I understand the frustration of this young man? Yes.

linz13.bsky.social•12 hours ago

15 years ago, child tax benefits were $100/ month and school cost $40k for a degree. Now, if your parents are low income, school costs a couple grand. I’m a student full time and work part (good union job) and my kids are also in college. I think my daughter owes about $2500 in her third year.

linz13.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Harper also allowed the economy to crash and burn in 2008/2009 and that’s why things were cheaper. Thousands of people went bankrupt and tens of thousands of houses went into foreclosure

witcan74.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Sounds like my stepson

snorider.bsky.social•14 hours ago

People paid off their mortgages over 25 years, hardly a gift. Seniors didn't raise the price of homes, investor groups did that, just like they are buying up all the vet clinics and private building companies etc. By making seniors the scapegoat it's business as usual for the ultra wealthy.

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Seniors are vastly undervalued in our society in my opinion. They should be valued, honoured, and treated with the utmost respect. How the aging population is treated says a lot about a society.

wildflower-farm.bsky.social•12 hours ago

I think that depends. In Canada, sure. But the elderly gave us Trump here. So they have 0 value, and 0 values.

col4bin.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Oh my goodness

snorider.bsky.social•11 hours ago

56% of young males voted for trump this time, 40% of young females. Wasn't the elderly.

wildflower-farm.bsky.social•10 hours ago

I don't think those numbers are entirely accurate. I would appreciate it if you could justify them with evidence from a legitimate source. Thank you. Mainly the one about young females. I believe the other one if anything is low.
https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-2024/election-analysis-older-voters.html

snorider.bsky.social•33 minutes ago

I just look at multiple polls on various sites. There is a tendency to want to blame older voters. To imply the social security and other social programs are taking all the money. Young people tend to buy into that idea. How accurate any polls are now, who knows.

snorider.bsky.social•14 hours ago

I agree 100 %. We hear a lot about the wealth that will pass from the baby boomers to their kids. Makes me wonder if cons will find a tax to drain away a lot of that money, given the opportunity.

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

I think it's very likely yes

paginini.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Yes, and that is the kind of investing Carney has been involved in most recently .

snorider.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Can I get some details?

paginini.bsky.social•11 hours ago

I'll link one article. If you google Brookfield and Carney, you can find others. Hate this kind of stuff but his coming from business directly to politics as PM without disclosure is unnerving: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7469116

snorider.bsky.social•11 hours ago

Thanks

bcreality.bsky.social•14 hours ago

I live in a province that sold homes like a commodity. Drive through those areas of Vancouver on any given night of the week, no lights on, no cars, luxury condos, no lights on. These are merely holding properties for overseas money.

pepperfire.bsky.social•4 hours ago

Gads of overseas money. Have you seen what has been done to Richmond BC? I swear many more of those mega houses and Lulu Island will be a reef.

snorider.bsky.social•39 minutes ago

I haven't been there in years, I probably wouldn't recognize it.

snorider.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Where I live in the interior many homes on the lakes are foreign owned, most also had a condo in Vancouver. They appear for a week on the lake, then head to Vancouver. Meanwhile working Canadians can't afford to live in Vancouver and drive an hour or more to work.

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Massive wealth that most people will never know. Housing as a commodity is tough. Owning property is often the factor that separates the "have's" from the "have not's", and it can be generational. But I believe secure housing should be a right that comes with living in our society.

snorider.bsky.social•14 hours ago

It is, rules for foreign ownership should be very strict, any money made when sold should be highly taxed. The lack of home ownership is going to shrink this generation of the middle class. Affordable subdivisions for Canadian ownership only need to be built.

lucemquaere.bsky.social•9 hours ago

Aww disinfo, isn't it fun?

lucemquaere.bsky.social•9 hours ago

Here challenge him with these:
https://www.budget.canada.ca/2024/home-accueil-en.html

https://www.thoughtco.com/economics-for-beginners-4140372

If he says it's too much work, remind him that remaining ignorant is much more effort.

drlizgeriatrics.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Sounds like a toxic Fox News exposure

scbella.bsky.social•14 hours ago

There’s a lot of them!

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Wow, I was taken aback by the level of confident ignorance.

fiverayrays.bsky.social•13 hours ago

He just doesn’t know. And I bet he also didn’t vote.

kayiso64.bsky.social•11 hours ago

💯

smartmove.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Crazy propaganda is not restricted to just America.

col4bin.bsky.social•13 hours ago

100%

calgaryoccupy.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Is he from Alberta? You often hear young people spewing typical Conservative talking points, sometimes word for word. Conservatives raise their kids to be like them, to think like them. I think it's more common with them.

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

No, Ontario

merryroze.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Doug ford is maga through n through. Don’t believe this turnaround. He is just good at reading a room

nik4democracy.bsky.social•13 hours ago

I’m from Ontario. I’ve got lots of maga hats in my family and hometown. Scary times.

activistmode.bsky.social•12 hours ago

He’s on a diet of Russian psyops memes. The messaging is subtle but effective - it’s damaged millions of young minds here in the United Hates.

northcountry1926.bsky.social•3 hours ago

Yes, Young 20 Somethings - MAGA Loves Em 💔 … Liberals Gotta Reach them ❗️

annsabados.bsky.social•10 hours ago

Carney did say some things that indicated he will lean centre right, like dental care for those who need it, removing the consumer carbon tax. I'd have to watch his whole speech. The At Issue gang speculated that he will pull in some Conservative advisors. Your 20 something kid might be surprised.

lesliethorson.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Yet another example of the erosion of education…

buttercut.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Dumb kid.

constanceont.bsky.social•14 hours ago

It's sickening to try to explain, that PMJT saved Canada in 2015 from the Harper (with PP) Cons! Election Fraud and protests across Canada in 2012! #History and Politicial Intelligence is lacking! They have no idea how dumb they are!

amberjo2.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Many of these kids are too young to remember the Harper years, sadly.

bellwhitworth.bsky.social•14 hours ago

What was he given 15 years ago? A new Tonka truck? 😖

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

He was saying it me, like "I want everything that was given to you 15 years ago". We worked all our lives since 14 years old summer jobs. Went to school, paid for by working. Bought our house by paying a mortgage for 25 years. Many years with no money to do anything but pay for mortgage, gas, food.

strayarc.bsky.social•13 hours ago

The halcyon times of 2010.

Now before we lose the young'uns to the fash, we do have to recognize that housing costs have vastly outpaced the ability of young people to expect to ever own one. Even rentals are beyond the reach of a single person without a very good job.

strayarc.bsky.social•13 hours ago

These are valid concerns. I have run into young workers who are good and bad, and that's in a workplace that is a career track where our starting apprentice rate is $23. Work ethic is probably no worse than it's ever been. You may have just run into a bad one. There's good kids out there.

bellwhitworth.bsky.social•2 hours ago

I wonder at what we can logistically do about this? Housing prices and rentals are exorbitant and I’m not seeing any downward movement. I respect the frustration of youth but I feel their blame is somewhat misplaced.

strayarc.bsky.social•1 hour ago

Building is the only way through. It’s supply and demand. Always is.

bellwhitworth.bsky.social•1 hour ago

Why is there not some way we can build cheaper war time starter homes in blocks of them? I am aware that provincial/municipal refs are a mess 😖

ruggedbroad.bsky.social•1 hour ago

The capital gains tax was a start, but that’s gone now. Legislation around residential investment would be another thing to look at. If the govt starts building homes again, they’ll all be snatched up by investors without those things, keeping price high.

bellwhitworth.bsky.social•1 hour ago

The investor thing needs to be stopped - pronto 😖

kellyot.bsky.social•13 hours ago

Welp, I get where then come from. As a teen I could fill my parents car with gas on less than 2 hrs work of a min wage job. My good job now fills it with close to 2 hrs work. Hard work now doesn’t go as far. My parents I. Their early 20 bought a house with 1 income at a shit job

col4bin.bsky.social•13 hours ago

That story is not restricted to Canada. That's part of the evolution of a capitalist society and its not ideal.

kellyot.bsky.social•3 hours ago

Ok🤷🏻‍♀️

nik4democracy.bsky.social•13 hours ago

I wasn’t given anything 15 yrs ago lol I’m making less than now that I did then. I JUST got on the property ladder. I’m in my 40s.

I feel bad for young people for sure but if they think we were handed shit 15 yrs ago that’s sad. Because it’s wrong.

bellwhitworth.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Same here. The young ‘uns don’t seem to realize that we worked hard and long to get where we are. I don’t recall being ‘given’ anything. Everything was an uphill battle.

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Yes, life can be hard. We all have our own struggles. Some are lucky and born into a life of ease, most are not. We can never assume who someone is or what they've been through or what their life has been like. He may have been referring to low interest rates and cost of living.

kmacky.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Oh, OK. Interest rate on my first 400sf condo was 8.5%, so happy 5 yrs later when it went down to 6%. We bought, as a couple, after 10 yrs of saving, at the age of 34.

bellwhitworth.bsky.social•14 hours ago

My first mortgage was 12% 😳 We thought we got off easy when they rose to 19%. Learn some history, kid 😡

ryansforbeson.bsky.social•14 hours ago

💯. They don’t grasp the concept of earning. My nephew, late 20’s complains about how he doesn’t have what me and his father (my brother) have. Yeah, we worked our asses off to get where we are. He just wants it handed to him.

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

It would seem so. I can understand and empathize with the younger generations and their frustration. But his attitude about seniors aligns perfectly with his lack of respect for our working for what we have. Entitlement is a dangerous thing.

bellwhitworth.bsky.social•14 hours ago

That’s the crux of the matter: entitlement 😡

bellwhitworth.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Late 20’s. Sigh. In my late 20’s, I was an impoverished, working, single Mum.

col4bin.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Now that's struggle. Respect.

ryansforbeson.bsky.social•14 hours ago

Yeah. I told him when I was his age I was working 3 part time jobs and putting myself through school but all he hears is “I walked through 3 feet of snow”. He can’t figure out I’m 25 years ahead and he wants the result but not the effort.

curvyson.bsky.social•12 hours ago

Well it was the Liberals under Chrétien that balanced the books and after doing a program review cut many programs (including housing). I suspect Carney is cut from similar cloth to Chrétien so that kid should be voting for Carney, right?

hawkbox.bsky.social•11 hours ago

They did it by gutting social services but that seems like what they want.

steve1970peng.bsky.social•10 hours ago

By the way, I had a conversation with an older couple at 65 🇨🇦 that didnt know why they had to pay tax to feed the poorest kids at schools. Both work in the school system!

Selfishness and entitlement all around.

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