Twitch closed the "Remove Sensitive Social Issues" that had ~38,000 votes, saying they clarified the point. twitch.uservoice.com/forums/93381... However, a NEW UserVoice opened, saying the 'clarification' doesn't address the issue. It currently has ~900 votes. twitch.uservoice.com/forums/93381... - ThreadSky

zachbussey.tos.gg • 204 days ago

Twitch closed the "Remove Sensitive Social Issues" that had ~38,000 votes, saying they clarified the point. https://twitch.uservoice.com/forums/933812-safety/suggestions/49038707-remove-sensitive-social-issues-bullet-point

However, a NEW UserVoice opened, saying the 'clarification' doesn't address the issue. It currently has ~900 votes.
https://twitch.uservoice.com/forums/933812-safety/suggestions/49048013-sensitive-social-issues-bullet-points-need-to-be-

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misnina.com•204 days ago

I didn't catch it at first because the wording of the email response and tweet sounded like "you just didn't understand us, closed", but they DID actually remove a bulletin point and reworded the last one as talking about those issues in a "polarizing or inflammatory manner"

misnina.com•204 days ago

I'm still wary, but yeah they did actually change it. It was just their tone in the email and tweet made it sound like nothing was changed, so it makes sense people might not follow the email -> link -> tweet -> link to see the difference

ariaofeffect.live•204 days ago

actually didn't change, they just combined the last 2 points together to make it seem they changed something aside from wording.

misnina.com•204 days ago

They did change it. It's clearly changed to not include discussing your "views" lightly, and removed the point saying you can't discuss legislation of reproductive right, LGBTQ+ right and immigration. There's a lot that got removed.

allianacordova.bsky.social•204 days ago

My main issue here is kinda like this:
1. The wording of the new version still is kinda vague and leaves room to abuse
2. Twitch has a strong history of careless and inconsistent policy application.

It's a mixing pot of...not generating confidence.

ariaofeffect.live•204 days ago

this, this is my issue too and the fact it's still so open ended was the issue to begin with, they reworded it, but they still left it problematically vague...

zexmaxwell.bsky.social•204 days ago

I'm happy they are at least attempting to fix this. My concern is they will remove the tag in its entirety. Advertisers are extremely cagey over this election and the political streamers are not making the platform look good. More reason for me to diversify...

adamenamedamy.bsky.social•203 days ago

I blame myself for not wording my UserVoice to more aggressively target that BOTH the penultimate AND the last bullet points needed to be removed completely. It gave Twitch enough wiggle room to PR their way out of the bag.

The comments said mor but I can't imagine Twitch went through 1,500+ posts.

zova.wtf•204 days ago

Agreed the changes don't address the core issues.

pankraru.bsky.social•204 days ago

2,149

Keep going!

unknow7493.bsky.social•203 days ago

It's at 3,147

I totaly didn't fuck up trying to log in

unknow7493.bsky.social•203 days ago

mxcryptid.bsky.social•204 days ago

oh jeez thats me. i honestly wasn't expecting this to gain traction! i'm really glad others feel the same as me, and i would like to shine a light on another Uservoice that i feel makes some good points on this topic as well:
https://twitch.uservoice.com/forums/933812-safety/suggestions/49048055-reclassify-the-lgbtq-community-as-a-protected-gro

asadiablo.me•202 days ago

Signed.

queenpib.com•204 days ago

The queers really said "That's not what we asked for and you know it."

chronicmayhem.bsky.social•204 days ago

It's still just more PR BS talk with no real action.

arcticavt.bsky.social•188 days ago

As a vtuber i dont think the twitch ceo cares about vtubers much since they decided that thighs were illegal and the fact my folks banned my step siblings who are minors from watching twitch due to the vr chat streams and the strange onlyfans girls appearing with hottube stream.. i feel like twitch

arcticavt.bsky.social•188 days ago

Hates vtubers a lot since a lot of us get banned even when we dont break the rules. It's like this why does the twitch ceo dan clancy realize.... how vtubers feel because a lot of us use the vtube studio, which is techailly a stream game in away like vr chat but i hope somethings changes

jamienemeth.bsky.social•204 days ago

Welp. I've commented.

"Twitch, please stop endorsing illegal discrimination based on protected characteristics. It makes it incredibly difficult to continue to be associated with your platform, to say the least, when you're breaking laws whilst simultaneously expecting your streamers not to."

lunazera.bsky.social•204 days ago

But removal of it is saying that streams with a lot of inflammatory and negative focus on gender and sexuality, that would probably be upsetting for other queer folk, won't need to be labelled...

jamienemeth.bsky.social•204 days ago

I see where you're coming from, but it also simultaneously leaves the way wide open for bigots to claim that *they* find e.g. LGBTQIA+ streams polarizing/inflammatory, when those streams may not intend to be at all, purely because the existence of LGBTQIA+ as a concept is inflammatory to the bigots.

jamienemeth.bsky.social•204 days ago

My feeling echoes that of many: this was a terrible idea full stop, don't try tweaking it and fixing it, just throw the whole thing out and go back to the drawing board.

qichin.bsky.social•204 days ago

Wouldn't that ideally fall under Dan Clancy's very own words that "hate will not be tolerated"? He even wrote a really long message about it. That should cover those kinds of cases, no?

I'm only being partially facetious, here. It's possible to pin twitch to other policies in this case.

lunazera.bsky.social•204 days ago

Theres a grey area of things that isn't "technically" hate speech or harassment, but still would be ideas/criticisms/etc that'd feel bad/harmful. Is someone talking positively about bathroom bans hatespeech? I'd find that atrocious, but depending on region where that's law, how do you fight that?

lunazera.bsky.social•204 days ago

YouTube has a similar thing with their monetization, uploading videos you have to self-label for certain content. They have rules against hateful/derogatory content, but if its "referencing protected groups or criticizing opinions in a non-hurtful manner", it can still earn revenue

celthicc.dead.ceo•204 days ago

Twitch literally trying to silence news and political coverage while allowing gamer bros to still drop hot takes is all I read here. “Intermittent politics” exception suits most, but fucks over everyone in the news sphere.
This is just cause the real issues were being covered.

vinnyvega.bsky.social•204 days ago

Thanks for sharing

greymothvt.bsky.social•204 days ago

Gotta give wiggle room to them bigots, hurr hurr

godofknockers.bsky.social•204 days ago

The label is for the political side of topics. The fact that people can't separate political views from personal opinions, shows how much clout-chasing matters over simply speaking your mind.

ghoulbutch.bsky.social•204 days ago

Seeing as this may be the only thing you give half a shit about; crackdowns on LGBT content are always crackdowns on lewd content as well. It's the purity police wedge issue.

You wanna keep playing sexy games where you can oggle women on-stream, then actually stand with us.

lenna.gay•204 days ago

I like the changes they made after the 1st poll and won't be signing the 2nd, but I need to make one thing clear: If you actually care, please consider that it's a scary fucking time for queer people right now and the timing of this is rough, and not all of them can grasp that nuance or eloquence.

liljayskell.bsky.social•204 days ago

Two primary issues with the policy are:
1) Twitch's reputation for vague wording and inconsistent policy implementation and enforcement leading to bans that shouldnt happen
2)Report Happy bigots on twitch who will use this to mass report ppl talking about life experience which feeds into issue #1

lenna.gay•204 days ago

I think that's extremely valid, but I also think it's much better to hold Twitch's feet to the fire when those happen and leave in a modified clause that, when used properly, also protects us. I'm not naively saying I expect Twitch to moderate this well, but I am saying we have ammo if they don't.

godofknockers.bsky.social•204 days ago

Also valid, but the thing is we've held Twitch's feet to the fire over EVERYTHING.

EVERYTHING. Big and small, important and unimportant, even when they do something really good and needed they get crapped on.

They did say to hold them accountable, but its at a point where we just hate everything.

lenna.gay•204 days ago

I get it fully, and I 100% think it's pathetic that we have to! But like... this is Amazon we're talking about; we are never going to have more than smoke and mirrors from them, so at least a change was made to ensure we still get paid. Y'know? At this point it's just the pragmatic approach.

godofknockers.bsky.social•204 days ago

Yeah. but clout-chasers are trying to tip the scales in their favor, to either make the rules vague again or to avoid accountability for their (streamer) mistakes. I'm all for accountability and making your voice heard, but too many in the streamer space trying to make a living on the soapbox 24/7

liljayskell.bsky.social•204 days ago

I agree we 1000% need policies hat protect us.

A policy that requires me to label my constant as political because I discuss my identity and advocate for my right to exist, shouldn't be considered a good policy, or a protective policy.

A better option would be to have a politics category 1/2

lenna.gay•204 days ago

Mind you I'm a trans creator on there too. But that is the thing - we're *not* being asked to label it anymore. If we were, or if they renege on that change, I'd agree one hundred percent (and in fact did agree; I signed and commented many times on the first poll.)

godofknockers.bsky.social•204 days ago

There IS a politics category.

liljayskell.bsky.social•204 days ago

I genuinely didn't know that, thank you for educating me.

Since there is an existing category for it, then twitch's policy should center around labelling your content into that category correctly rather than the content classification ID, because that's redundant

liljayskell.bsky.social•204 days ago

twitch wants to call out and have political topics properly labelled, so they should add a category for it instead, and then if people are not properly labelling themselves in that category for these topical streams, then the poilcy for improper category labelling can be used

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