fair I guess I just completely disagree since it does pretty well at telling its own unique story while still being tied to undertale's world. also the central theme is justice? - ThreadSky

sleepymaus.bsky.social • 92 days ago

fair I guess
I just completely disagree since it does pretty well at telling its own unique story while still being tied to undertale's world.
also the central theme is justice?

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diegobendinelli.bsky.social•92 days ago

And before you say Clover, no, Clover is a non-character even if they really should not have been. They just gave up after that poster left their hand at the start of the game.

sleepymaus.bsky.social•92 days ago

undertale humans are generally not focussed on as much as the monsters, frisk and clover are used as eyepieces for the audience to experience the story and world. calling clover a non-character is kinda disingenuous since they have several little character moments the player doesn't control.

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•92 days ago

There should have been more, at least more to justify Clover deciding to give up their soul in the pacifist route.

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•92 days ago

How is that the theme? How is that explored in the game? Because for the life of me I cannot in good faith tell you that any character explores the idea of justice in any way. Justice as a concept is ripe for story and character potential and none of them use it. As a representation or foil, nada.

sleepymaus.bsky.social•92 days ago

okey
Dalv's trauma and backstory explores whether the actions of Integrity were just
Martlet briefly grapples with what's just about the royal guard protocol
Starlo is a sheriff and has to come to terms with fair and just treatment of his team.-

sleepymaus.bsky.social•92 days ago

Ceroba, as the final boss explores the theme the most- ceroba has to decide whether it's just to try and perfect chujin's work to assign meaning to his and kanako's death OR let an innocent child live.
The vengence route is also entirely about justice, clover deciding what five human lives are worth

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•92 days ago

Ceroba is the only one with any legs to stand on, I will give you that, but that story has uh… a lot of other problems.

sleepymaus.bsky.social•92 days ago

I'm just gonna say this isn't a particularly fun discussion to have because you're framing your subjective viewpoints as objective and taking a rather pretentious stance.
it's fine that you personally didn't resonate with UTY the way I did but I'd appreciate more subjective phrasing.

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•92 days ago

Fair enough, I’m sorry, I will admit I may be more bitter about this game being this popular than I realise. Like I said, I value writing a lot, and seeing something with writing so shallow become so widely beloved really strikes a nerve, but that is a me thing and I have to recognise it.

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•92 days ago

That is more than I thought but I still just don’t think the writing is strong enough for me to really get invested into things. Dalv especially is an example, all that in a throwaway line of text to try tie him into the Kanako backstory as a desperate attempt to justify his presence in the game.

sleepymaus.bsky.social•92 days ago

that last bit is a little backhanded, I think he definitely deserved more screentime though

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•92 days ago

Why? What does Dalv have going for him? Nothing would be different if you cut him out, he has no ties into anyone or anything aside from that one line of text that means absolutely nothing in the long run? Why is he here?

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•92 days ago

Starlo’s conflict is less about justice and more so getting over his obsession

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•92 days ago

Martlet’s conflict is too brief to warrant a mention, maybe if she interacted more with Clover earlier I could have given her credit

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