Ceroba, as the final boss explores the theme the most- ceroba has to decide whether it's just to try and perfect chujin's work to assign meaning to his and kanako's death OR let an innocent child live. The vengence route is also entirely about justice, clover deciding what five human lives are worth - ThreadSky

sleepymaus.bsky.social • 98 days ago

Ceroba, as the final boss explores the theme the most- ceroba has to decide whether it's just to try and perfect chujin's work to assign meaning to his and kanako's death OR let an innocent child live.
The vengence route is also entirely about justice, clover deciding what five human lives are worth

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diegobendinelli.bsky.social•98 days ago

Ceroba is the only one with any legs to stand on, I will give you that, but that story has uh… a lot of other problems.

sleepymaus.bsky.social•98 days ago

I'm just gonna say this isn't a particularly fun discussion to have because you're framing your subjective viewpoints as objective and taking a rather pretentious stance.
it's fine that you personally didn't resonate with UTY the way I did but I'd appreciate more subjective phrasing.

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•98 days ago

Fair enough, I’m sorry, I will admit I may be more bitter about this game being this popular than I realise. Like I said, I value writing a lot, and seeing something with writing so shallow become so widely beloved really strikes a nerve, but that is a me thing and I have to recognise it.

sleepymaus.bsky.social•98 days ago

you kinda did it again there in the 'writing so shallow' bit.
it's okay dude, I think it might just be worth trying to see where people are coming from as opposed to putting up blinders and being so bitter. I appreciate the self awareness but I'm probably not gonna keep this up anymore

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•98 days ago

That is more than I thought but I still just don’t think the writing is strong enough for me to really get invested into things. Dalv especially is an example, all that in a throwaway line of text to try tie him into the Kanako backstory as a desperate attempt to justify his presence in the game.

sleepymaus.bsky.social•98 days ago

that last bit is a little backhanded, I think he definitely deserved more screentime though

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•98 days ago

Why? What does Dalv have going for him? Nothing would be different if you cut him out, he has no ties into anyone or anything aside from that one line of text that means absolutely nothing in the long run? Why is he here?

sleepymaus.bsky.social•98 days ago

dalv is clover's first main character instance of a monster being different to what they might think one acts like- dalv learns clover's name and I really enjoy the dalv house sequence. he's a fun character concept and that's all you need for people to want more imo

diegobendinelli.bsky.social•98 days ago

I can see that concept now, but like a lot of UTY is really underdeveloped. One thing is leaving things unsaid and giving context clues for the reader to piece together, and the other is relying on the audience to fill the gaps for things that are straight up not there.

midnight197.bsky.social•98 days ago

Undertale did nothing different. It just doesn't feels like it, because the Fandom is so giant and a lot of Headcanons that it developed is seen as "canon" from many Fans. Heck, Gaster is a giant Character in the Fandom even tho he barely appears or is mentioned in the Game itself

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