“I think it makes good strategic sense to shut the war down immediately. I also think it’s the morally correct thing to do.” The political scientist John Mearsheimer discusses why he agrees with Trump’s handling of Russia and Ukraine.
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Mearsheimer is a shameless, morally empty pundit who has decided to spend his twilight years defending the evil machinations of putin while ignoring the consequences of those actions.
By similar logic, it would have made moral sense to negotiate a settlement with Nazi Germany where Hitler would get part of Poland (or France, or Austria, or Russia, etc.). There are situations where the aggressor is so unambiguously evil that no compromise is acceptable.
I think he comes across as a genuine idiot believing Putin and his answers expose his disgusting views. It'd be great if NY could interview a scholar with an opposing opinion. I'm quite conflicted if he should be platformed, but this is the world we live in.
To be honest, the interviewer pushed back throughout the whole conversation. It's a different discussion if they should platform this guy. Maybe not and I'd rather read an interview with a scholar who argues against the "realist" foreign policy.
1.Ceasefire talks were held with the country that is BEING ATTACKED and the country which ATTACKS was not even there.
2.The victims agreed not to defend themselves for 30 days if the aggressor agrees to not bomb them for 30 days.
3.And, now we are waiting for the aggressor to agree.
Is this normal?
Listening to Resnick’s conversation with him, I kept thinking he talks as if we’re still in the early 2000s.
I found his lack of consideration of our massive media misinformation ecosystems for his theory disqualifying.
Depends on the terms enforced when the war is shut down. If the terms mean complete capitulation of Ukraine and an ensuing Russian purge, then no, the war being shut down is not the best course.
They are perhaps relying too much on people to click through and see that it is an Isaac Chotiner piece, but his style is very much fools hanging themselves with their own rope. The headline plays into that style.
The problem is he’s siding with Putin’s land grabbing dictatorship and alienating America’s allies, causing a European distrust and rearmament. A democracy loving well meaning US president would have tried to change Russian leadership, not the Ukrainians.
Yeah, the poisonings, defenstrations, aircraft downings, and bombing of hospitals and schools is just the cry of a poor, gentile, caring, misunderstood old softie.
Shouldn't have to say this, but /s.
And TNY? Are you freaking kidding me with that crap?
Pretty much the same “paranoia” border, sphere of influence excuses used by Russian and Soviet leaders for over 100 yrs. The desire for an iron curtain isn’t gone just because the “hammer and sickle” is gone.
Cool story, bro. I think we all know John Mearsheimer is a Russian agent. Is anybody else getting tired of this firehose of insulting propaganda from people that definitely should know better?
Have you ever had a theory so beautiful, so perfect, so crystalline in its purity that you simply couldn’t bear to see it violated by anything so sordid as a fact?
Misunderstood Vladimir Putin.
No, I think we've got him plenty understood. His trolls run the public discourse in America, owns the president and Qongress, and has thousands of nukes pointed at our families. What did I misunderstand?
No doubt that shutting down any war and saving soldiers and civilians from death makes moral sense. However, the problem is that negotiations are going on without Ukraine and Russia has dictated all the concessions Ukraine must make.
I think the point is being missed. Nobody in their right mind wants the war to continue BUT to end it by allowing Russia to keep land it took and without guarantees it won’t take more is ridiculous too.
Nope. While he’s correct that Russia’s actions are guided by fears of Western Agression, it matters not. Expanding NATO through voluntary addition is our policy and should be our policy. Putin is a dictator. We do not ally with dictators.
Putin is using "NATO's aggression" as a pretext. He knows fully well it wasn't organized to attack anyone. Just like Hitler's refusal to accept defeat in WW1, Putin cannot accept the defeat of USSR in the Cold War. Now he wants to resurrect the glory days of Russian empire.
Nobody will argue that the war is bad and should stop, but to award Putin land he stole and not make him accountable for a war he started is wrong. But of course Trump has no issue as he would like yo do the same in eg Greenland
could you please post the author in the thumbnail or description, so i don't have to waste my time clicking through to chotiner? btw, RUSSIA is to blame for RUSSIA's aggression.
"Realism’s bias has a tendency to function as a self-fulfilling prophecy: it nurtures and promotes the very behaviors it assumes predominate human nature."
Stop platforming Mearsheimer. He has enough under-read supporters.
Mearsheimer? Bullshit. On 10/31/18 - University Of Bucharest At minute 50 -
"Despite the resurrection of Russian power, despite all the paranoia in Eastern Europe about the Russian threat, Russia is not much of a threat to Eastern Europe today." https://youtube.com/watch?v=AlaHGYlXntQ.
Jesus on a bicycle, now you guys, too? Fuck this nonsense. Looking forward to your $45 million deal to have Annie Leibovitz shoot Melania for The New Yorker's first photo cover.
Disgusting for sure, but upon reading the whole interviews he also comes across as extremely naive. Quite embarrassing that he doesn't believe that people (Putin in this case) do not always reveal their true intentions.
Take this trash and shove it. Poor Vladdy, so misunderstood. Let’s ask Mrs. Navalny what she thinks. Everyone has an opinion but not all opinions deserve publishing.
Yes, so Trump can lift sanctions on Russia and resume trade links with his mates there. It's certainly strategically lucrative for him and his corrupt cronies. Payment for all the Russian money that kept his businesses afloat in the 80s/90s when no reputable lender would touch him with a barge pole.
I think there is a lot of damage that journalists have done by taking Mearsheimer, who is increasingly an academic pariah, at his word. People read headlines like this, and get the idea that Ukraine is responsible for the war. I think Trump is drawing on this press coverage to legitimate his lies.
To provide context for how reviled Mearsheimer is in contemporary IR, here's a story. I was at a consortium of political science researchers a couple years ago to learn about contemporary methods. I was catching up with an old friend while waiting in line for a lecture...
...and he was asking me about IR and how I fit into it. The topic went to Mearsheimer and academic realism. Personally, I'm not a realist, though it is a foundational and important field and IR that is worthy of respect, so I said no, and that Mearsheimer is completely wrong on a lot of things...
...just then, the person in front of us in line, an MIT grad student, turns around and says "HEY! I'm a realist!" I started to prepare an apology, and then he completes his statement, "AND EVEN *I* F****** HATE JOHN MEARSHEIMER." I'll never forget it.
The TL;DR here is that the bothsidesism in the American elite press isn’t exactly doing what they intend. Merely elevating contrarian voices, even when demonstrating that they are weak, can be counterproductive. Media literacy in this country isn’t what it should be.
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Oh, how turntables!
"And three, it’s going to have to demilitarize to the point that it is not an offensive military threat to Russia."
Ukraine has never been an offensive military threat to Russia. Just look at the map and see how much smaller Ukraine is.
*invaded
New Yorker should know better!
2.The victims agreed not to defend themselves for 30 days if the aggressor agrees to not bomb them for 30 days.
3.And, now we are waiting for the aggressor to agree.
Is this normal?
And it seems that this contradicts what he wrote 25 years ago about appeasement in The Tragedy of Great Power Politics.
Gimme a break.
JM will put NYT Pitchbot out of a job.
I found his lack of consideration of our massive media misinformation ecosystems for his theory disqualifying.
Ukraine must stop being a military threat to Russia? Really? 🙄
(Fascist right, not conservative right.)
Headass, far right, fuckoff rag
Shouldn't have to say this, but /s.
And TNY? Are you freaking kidding me with that crap?
No, I think we've got him plenty understood. His trolls run the public discourse in America, owns the president and Qongress, and has thousands of nukes pointed at our families. What did I misunderstand?
@newyorker.com Instead of giving us the reasoned insights of real experts, you think giving us the views of a known Putin apologist is OK?
WHY?
Oh you're complicit now, too? GTFO!
https://bit.ly/4hv63YG
Stop platforming Mearsheimer. He has enough under-read supporters.
"Despite the resurrection of Russian power, despite all the paranoia in Eastern Europe about the Russian threat, Russia is not much of a threat to Eastern Europe today." https://youtube.com/watch?v=AlaHGYlXntQ.
In Ukraine hundreds of cases of rape have been recorded, including men, women, babies, children and elders.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/international_law/resources/international-law-news/2023-winter/uses-rape-military-weapon-russian-forces-ukraine/
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