He doesn’t know things like that. And nobody is going to tell him. So he’ll do it for months or years, until the courts agree with him (more likely than any of us would like) or tell him to stop. Then he’ll just keep on doing it.
I don't know why, at this stage, anyone would credit Trump with giving a thought to what is "legal" or "constitutional." This is the Project 2025 "There will be a bloodless coup, if liberals allow it" stage. NO ONE is looking at what's "legal."
There’s 350+ million other people who have opinions and make decisions. 500,000 of them are elected public officials. Millions more hold positions of power and privilege.
Why do liberals and conservatives think all messages are just for 1 king to hear.
Neither does the Pentagon or Congress. Republicans hope footage of these "left-wing extremists" who are "attacking" federal "law enforcement" can be used in midterm campaign ads. I don't know how they'll be able to do this and migrant caravans at the same time.
Guard troops must be reminded that if they break the law, they could be held accountable under the next administration. Following orders is not an excuse.
It's all about intimidation, threats, and fear. I have no doubts that we're going to see more of this in the coming months. Trump may even use it as a reason to cancel/delay the election next year. My advice: peaceful protests. Don't fight back unless you are attracted. DOCUMENT!
Peer pressure and mob mentality with a healthy mixture of toxic masculinity and military bravado means I'm not going to hold my breath on young men finding the nerve to disobey while their comrades are standing ready and obedient
But a connection with reality. Normal rules no longer apply. The Constitution doesn't matter a damn. When are people going to accept what's staring them in the face?
Don't be rude. Nobody knows what will happen, including you. His comment seems to be backed up by almost a decade of toxic military blokes flying Trump flags on the back of their vehicles. 🫤
I know what I promised when I signed up. I hope that the soldiers who are confronted with this remember their training and the promises they made. Exactly what we are taught to recognize and stop. I know a few soldiers who would embrace this situation but a lot more will see the wrong in it.
The most important thing to remember is the majority of the military are minority populations. Most military are going to see themselves in the people they are told to attack. Let's be real it's the marginalized communities out there "rioting" (protesting legally). Not white straight men.
Maybe that used to be the case, but they’ve all been methodically removed and replaced with those loyal to the regime. People are still living in a fantasy world out here, but a lot’s happened in 5 months.
I tend to agree, but still, you have an administration that will interpret the const. how it wants and a scotus that has said the pres. can do virtually whatever he wants in carrying out his duties. Coupled with soldiers that aren't constitutional law professors...
What else do we have but hope? I know how I feel. I know what brought a lot of the people I served with in. None said to harm Americans or do what the president said. I know people want to believe that we are all just there for our country but almost all were trying to better their lives.
The one thing that I believe will save us all is the ingrained hatred of fascism we all experience from birth in America. We were built on fighting kings and dictators. That plan has been in play longer. The constitution, the patriotism. All ingrained and should feel wrong to go against.
Key point I think you may be missing with the National Guard is that they are not full-time military. They have full time unrelated jobs in the community, and they are not all “young men.”
The alleged “ICE” people are certainly the J6 insurrectionists, but I don’t think the California National Guard would be. The real NG would spot them instantly.
Were I a MSgt in the CANG instead of the USAF, I'd be all over my LT's, CPTs, Majors and Colonels right now, advising them to make contact with JAG. I'd also have IG on speed dial.
The military is a pretty conservative institution, as in, hesitant to act in a wanton fashion.
I was wondering about that but that in term relies on a fairly intelligent NCO class and soldiers who can chew gum and walk. The amount of scorn traditionally heaped on home guard leaves me completely in the dark about their median IQ’s. If it was USAF, I’d think they would reject the
order to fire on their own (the exception being the bombing of tenements in Philadelphia back in the late 80’s early 90’s by USAF from Macguire AFB. Generally speaking marines are thought of as being mostly intelligent too, tho insanely and mindlessly team players. Time to start empathic connection
with those being used illegally to police us civilians. The flowers in the barrels empathic ambitions in the 60’s got a bunch of people shot tho so I’m not holding my breath.
The scorn comes from Active Duty, who generally dont' understand that National Guardsmen have whole other jobs. They're working professionals in many fields, and when they live and work in the same field that they're a guardsman in, they're often better experts than the AD folks.
Thanks. They get a bad rap from all over so I have no insight that offers me any possible opinion that might resemble anything that could be accurate. Is it fair to say that they have greater connections day to day because of their duel role? Do they have a history of flexibility?
Imagine a military investigator, who in their day job works for the FBI. Imagine that guy is deployed to Iraq, and is assigned a job to investigate an atrocity.
They'll do it better/faster than the AD JAG officer most of the time.
The 'heaps of scorn' are mostly from 2 places:
1) Lower enlisted who are comparing themselves to Nat Guard lower enlisted of the same age. At that SPECIFIC level, the AD guy might have a training edge. That edge will quickly be eclipsed at the NCO/SNCO level.
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I don't know why, at this stage, anyone would credit Trump with giving a thought to what is "legal" or "constitutional." This is the Project 2025 "There will be a bloodless coup, if liberals allow it" stage. NO ONE is looking at what's "legal."
Why do liberals and conservatives think all messages are just for 1 king to hear.
Oh wait, no, I'm thinking of someone else
Despite nominally being about something the 1 guy did, it’s not actually about him.
Textbook case of refusing an unlawful order.
Posse Commitatus is a thing.
Now that’s rude. 🖕
I just hope your confidence is not misplaced 🤔
This is unraveling so fast!
The playbook was written well in advance of last November...
The military is a pretty conservative institution, as in, hesitant to act in a wanton fashion.
They'll do it better/faster than the AD JAG officer most of the time.
I've heard of specific examples in many fields.
1) Lower enlisted who are comparing themselves to Nat Guard lower enlisted of the same age. At that SPECIFIC level, the AD guy might have a training edge. That edge will quickly be eclipsed at the NCO/SNCO level.
2) Vet Bro's are toxic to everyone.