By definition, numerical weather models require international data. The atmosphere knows no geopolitical boundaries: any model that begins and ends at its country’s border is unable to generate reliable predictions until after a weather system crosses its boundaries. Which defeats the purpose! - ThreadSky

katharinehayhoe.com • 16 days ago

By definition, numerical weather models require international data. The atmosphere knows no geopolitical boundaries: any model that begins and ends at its country’s border is unable to generate reliable predictions until after a weather system crosses its boundaries. Which defeats the purpose!

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unclestu.bsky.social•16 days ago

They want to privatize the weather industry.

beachypatty.bsky.social•16 days ago

Can't make this sh* up!

lp7.bsky.social•16 days ago

📌

nibilo.bsky.social•16 days ago

He will abolish all scientific institutions, including NASA and the weather service. The US will announce global temperature decreased in 2025 and beyond, climate disinformation will come directly from those formerly respected institutions and the WH itself. This will be dark. Extremely dark.

womanoutraged.bsky.social•15 days ago

This is some weird shit... So, there'll be a United States-sized hole in the world's weather/ climate data and likely many other areas, too. We'll work around it and carry on... I'm not quite sure what Americans will be doing?

stone-kicker.bsky.social•16 days ago

My god! No more Santa Tracker then! 😕

lila7.bsky.social•16 days ago

😱

syncarid.bsky.social•15 days ago

The environment doesn't have borders or boundaries. It just is. Brexit was a good example of idiots in charge.

annabusybee.bsky.social•16 days ago

This is worse than very bad. So a 22-year old brat with no knowledge or experience whatsoever is capable of destroying decades long data collection by the world's leading scientists about climate, weather and oceans. My god. 😱

hpvpaul2.bsky.social•16 days ago

Can’t take credit for it but lets make Coup Klux Klan a thing.
#coupkluxklan

granzombi.bsky.social•15 days ago

📌

abottawa.bsky.social•16 days ago

I once flew into Mozambique the day after a bad cyclone. The people I met were furious when they learned I had been monitoring it on media the previous few days because they had no idea it was coming. They were not at all prepared.

lila7.bsky.social•16 days ago

😢

clauraform.bsky.social•16 days ago

I get small moments of joy, enjoying the constant displays of their ignorance.

chuck-e-jesus.bsky.social•16 days ago

So, can they stop cooperating with this foreign national?

attysavvy.bsky.social•16 days ago

There is genuinely no point to this.

katharinehayhoe.com•16 days ago

* And even then it won’t do a good job, as the weather system’s trajectory could be guided by other systems outside the borders of the country - like superstorm Sandy, which was pushed ashore at a 90° angle to its previous path, thanks to a very strong high pressure system over Greenland.

aotte.bsky.social•16 days ago

Mentioning Greenland in this context seems dangerous.

katharinehayhoe.com•16 days ago

** Which had clear links to human induced Arctic warming! So leaving climate change out of the picture also degrades the quality of such forecasts.

eerikpeeker.bsky.social•16 days ago

They will first construct the Great Wearher Wall around the US and later the Great Ceiling above the country. Aluminum foil has already been selected as the ceiling material.

ozzeu.bsky.social•16 days ago

Welcome to „The Truman Show“!

jfmass.bsky.social•16 days ago

Haaaa that's why he wants Greenland then!

flyovercountry76.bsky.social•15 days ago

He wants Greenland so Haliburton can build a pipeline for meltwater from the Petermann Glacier to sell to the Great Plains states...

natesjacobs.bsky.social•16 days ago

This is why we need to buy Greenland, and the rest of it. We won’t have to worry about these pesky ‘foreign nationals’ if everyone is a citizen of Trumplandia!!

robwiny.bsky.social•16 days ago

Only one thing for it - tariffs against every other country (and the watery bits in-between) unless they agree all their weather belongs to Trump!

wansteadweather.bsky.social•16 days ago

Trump's special dividers will sort out those troublesome high pressure systems. You just throw them at the map.

widerawake.bsky.social•16 days ago

This guy probably needs a job now that he's been pardoned. Put him in charge of weather with his bag of entrails an bones. What could go wrong.

newtongrunnion.bsky.social•16 days ago

But can't Trump change the path of storms just by using his Sharpie pen?

heelcrimson.bsky.social•16 days ago

Which is why we need to buy Greenland!

Lol

pirateprofessor.bsky.social•16 days ago

All you need is a hurricane map and a Sharpie.

binnig.bsky.social•16 days ago

There is a *lot* to worry about with NOAA right now, but my sense (from someone who got the email on foreign contacts) is that this one really is temporary and not unprecedented when a new political appointee comes in.

brucealmighty.bsky.social•15 days ago

😔

meteolabfr.bsky.social•9 days ago

We can't expect anything from a president who can turn away a hurricane with the stroke of a pen.

grimace14.bsky.social•14 days ago

Added to the list of things they unintentionally broke with ignorance.

umsonst.bsky.social•15 days ago

It's shows that they are the enemies of humanity!

felinecannon.bsky.social•16 days ago

Don’t give him ideas about building a taller wall.

tunalapumpie.bsky.social•16 days ago

Serious question: how much of what we are currently “losing” ( in all scientific/med research areas) will be bolstered by other countries trying to fill the vacuum? I am in no way suggesting we do not need these scientists, but rather will/can the global community help until we can right our ship?

fugee46.bsky.social•16 days ago

These depts are only being closed to centralise control and get rid of any staff who might dissent to what comes next none of this is about cutting costs, worst part this was all explained as the plan of Republican think tank project 25 in 2024.

ocschwar.bsky.social•16 days ago

EU nations have already exploited the previous Trump term to become the location for some scientific specialties. Don't expect the media to tell you, but if you want to learn about the state of the art in programming languages, learn French.

kryspee.bsky.social•16 days ago

This article makes me so sad. The NOAA is one of the most underappreciated institutions by most Amercians. Many do not even know it exists or what it does, yet the benefit from its work helps them plan their lives on an almost daily basis.

bowprow.bsky.social•16 days ago

Not to mention that when hurricane season comes around, accurate analysis and reporting saves lives and reduces costs.

ambatchelor.bsky.social•15 days ago

And folks in other countries think it's great too!

bozone23.bsky.social•16 days ago

The people who have taken over our government are a collection of dumbasses.

used2brn.bsky.social•16 days ago

Well, according to the article- twitter employees who know nothing about weather or climate...

misterkojak.bsky.social•16 days ago

Thousands of people in the military, spread out along our nations borders, shaking their heads at weather patterns trying to sneak into our sovereign territory

andrewmdavidson.bsky.social•16 days ago

Huh. Guess I won't be talking to our friends from NOAA at the GEO Programme Board meeting in Geneva next week....

jtmlx.bsky.social•16 days ago

Were containers of Sharpies delivered BEFORE Trump's inauguration?

itiswolfgirl.bsky.social•16 days ago

OGM WTF

amgcarlton.bsky.social•16 days ago

ECWF often does a better job forecasting east coast storms in the USA.

paulowennberg.bsky.social•16 days ago

using lots of sensor data from NOAA ...

ocasapiens.bsky.social•15 days ago

Well, NOAA also uses lots of Europe's sensor data - e.g. https://dataspace.copernicus.eu/explore-data.

The US supported WMO's program to make data-sharing much easier and cheaper from Jan 1, 2025: Will the US exit the WMO as well?

paulowennberg.bsky.social•15 days ago

Indeed! The US has been such a leader in open environmental data access. We seem to be on a road to burn it all down.

ocasapiens.bsky.social•15 days ago

Indeed, its public domain policy was a model for EU transparency laws.
It also builds trust in science, anyone can search data bases - https://clinicaltrials.gov for instance, see if trials are progressing, where results are published etc.

kjmcinty.bsky.social•15 days ago

Loss and chaos mount as gutting rather than reforming is the mode chosen by 45. And as condition worsen he will blame everyone else just as he did in the pandemic.

ai2al.bsky.social•16 days ago

The government needs time to order more sharpies for the small hands of the weather nincompoop in chief

lechienvieux.bsky.social•16 days ago

Such as Elon Musk?

richard-j-giles.bsky.social•16 days ago

Aside from all the practical reasons for international cooperation, it would also appear to break a long standing agreement between Canada and NOAA.

"The art of breaking the deal".

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/eccc/documents/pdf/international-affairs/compendium/2020/batch-8/canada-united-states-weather-climate-collaboration.pdf

hrlatinam.bsky.social•16 days ago

This is both awful and incredibly stupid. I guess hurricanes start right off the coast of the US.

quinn-jasper.bsky.social•16 days ago

He thinks he’s simply going to make climate change “go away.” You know, like he made Covid go away.

wansteadweather.bsky.social•16 days ago

Trump won’t let the weather systems cross his border. Even China’s hurricane gun has been served notice!

steve-v-de.bsky.social•16 days ago

Will have to build a bigger wall !

coldpluto.bsky.social•16 days ago

But how will the Sharpie corporation survive if we don't stop our international weather cooperations?

drtoddlandman.bsky.social•16 days ago

Unless you have a sharpie of course

jessterraformearth.bsky.social•16 days ago

Saved me typing Sharpie 😎

katharinehayhoe.com•16 days ago

I was waiting to see who would be the first to add that. You are the winner 😎

fugee46.bsky.social•16 days ago

In the event of a national emergency, or say um...martial law, what kind of communication might take place between staff from other countries which will now be forbidden>

drtoddlandman.bsky.social•16 days ago

:-) who needs data modelling and machine learning when you can draw your own maps, eh?

robwiny.bsky.social•16 days ago

Those illegal hurricanes will think again now they have to go across The Gulf of AMERICA! Everybody says so!

ozzeu.bsky.social•16 days ago

Just build this wall high enough so those ILLEGAL HURRICANES cannot make landfall onto UNITED STATES of AMERICA!

agnesbookbinder.bsky.social•16 days ago

Here’s what we do: we erect a giant wall to keep all the weather out. Because, as of last October, the government apparently had a giant weather machine, we just fire ‘er up & it’s sunshine on tap all the time for us.

*Satirical purposes only. Have to laugh or you’d cry

gregorrussell.bsky.social•16 days ago

Is this a bug? Or a feature?

stephenlowewatson.bsky.social•16 days ago

The Atlantic weather systems that arrive as storms here in the UK typically form in America. Anything that compromises forecasts and warnings could have serious consequences, including loss of life.