You know what's insane? Persona 3 (a game made in 2007) has more female to female relationship development in two fucking dialogue boxes than Rebirth (a game made in 2024) has in 100 hours of game play. - ThreadSky | a Reddit-style client for Bluesky

gwentchamp.bsky.social • 144 days ago

You know what's insane?

Persona 3 (a game made in 2007) has more female to female relationship development in two fucking dialogue boxes than Rebirth (a game made in 2024) has in 100 hours of game play.

Reposted from Cloti Supremacy

Wish this had been AerTi x.x

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gwentchamp.bsky.social•144 days ago

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thehotthotasuka.bsky.social•144 days ago

Harold, they're lesbeans

makotonijimastan.bsky.social•143 days ago

It's persona. Of course it's peak.

gamingbricabrac.bsky.social•144 days ago

Remake set up such a nice springboard to more fully develop Tifa and Aerith's relationship and then Rebirth looked at that, said "what if we didn't," and punted it into the ocean

gwentchamp.bsky.social•144 days ago

I was, frankly, furious. Because Remake set things up in a fresh, new way that seemed positive and progressive.

Then we got nothing. Just. A total failure of narrative direction. Worse, it felt regressive.

And we can't hope for better because Aerith is dead and all her beats will be LS stuff...

amekaze7.bsky.social•144 days ago

I think that this dynamic simply could not match everything that rebirth covered (so everything that leads to the GS date). it's a real regression that will lead to the Remake version of Aerith in part 3, but this makes you ask "then the friendship is only tied to whether she remembers or not"

tifatifatifagirl.bsky.social•144 days ago

Imagine two women talking about something other than a guy.

Couldn't be Square Enix.

gwentchamp.bsky.social•144 days ago

The year is 2024.

amekaze7.bsky.social•143 days ago

there was a name for this thing if I'm not mistaken 😂

clotiiscanon.bsky.social•144 days ago

SE has such an enormousssss messsss to clean up with Aerith. I really can't even imagine how we bridge the gap between Remake Aerith and Rebirth Aerith and get somewhere that's emotionally satisfying????

Good luck to Nojima and Nomura.

clotiiscanon.bsky.social•144 days ago

Assuming this runs into Advent Children again...

They've got a lot of work to do.

tifatifatifagirl.bsky.social•144 days ago

The friendship hinging on if she remembers or not is insane to me. That just does not feel like very good writing.

I just don't get what they were trying to do with Aerith and it really spoils the character for me. 😤

gamingbricabrac.bsky.social•144 days ago

(1/2) Remake actually engaged with the OG in an interesting, meta way, recontextualizing events and posing the question of fate vs choice and how that intersects with grief. If you know your fate, do you accept it, fight it? And are you allowed to grieve what you know can't happen?

gamingbricabrac.bsky.social•144 days ago

And then Rebirth ignored all of that, did a beat-by-beat recreation of the OG (except when it didn't, and those scenes were almost always worse) and then went "tee-hee we won't make any meaningful narrative decisions!" and hit the "both endings are real" button

gwentchamp.bsky.social•144 days ago

(1/2) Basically every time they veered away from the original, it looked and felt so much worse.

But even the main beats got jumbled up. The boss fight right after Barret has to fight Dyne? Jesus CHRIST. Fucking terrible pacing.

The only good addition, IMO, was Tifa in the LS

gwentchamp.bsky.social•144 days ago

(2/2)

And then the individual character moments in the Temple of the Ancients

extravaguer.bsky.social•144 days ago

No, I think the worst thing is that they believed they did develop it. Who knows the original script though, maybe there were some scrapped things, sometimes they look at the whole game with knowledge only they have and think "we did well" (look at Nojima when OG was released re: AerTi friendship)

gwentchamp.bsky.social•144 days ago

Their relationship in the original game is so bad lmao.

So bad.

extravaguer.bsky.social•143 days ago

It is very bad, indeed. To me friendship means more than chatting, it means also caring for each other; the relationship in the OG felt very one way (Tifa to Aerith, even though Tifa was jealous too).

However I will say that Rebirth is way better on that front still. The writing problem comes

extravaguer.bsky.social•143 days ago

from the fact that Aerith's relationship with Cloud in that she begins to pursue him romantically instead of rooting for her friend, and it poses the question of: what did Tifa and Aerith talk about, exactly?

We know they talked in Kalm (about Cloud), we know they talked after this too (Zack) BUT

extravaguer.bsky.social•143 days ago

Aerith's actions with Cloud made Tifa uneasy, to the point where she wasn't sure if she (Tifa) was indeed becoming closer to Cloud or if Cloud reciprocated Aerith's interest, until it reached the point of her GS date where she was able to voice those feelings to Cloud who did answer "no it's you"

myaachoom.bsky.social•143 days ago

Mitsuru and Yukari's friendship progressed so nicely. Aerti had the potential in Remake but Rebirth was just eugh.. imo mostly bc they fumbled so hard with Aerith