And there's actually so much I want to embed in programs. Not only images but also spreadsheets and tables and what not. All kinds of things that have pretty renderings and sensible (but ugly and hard-to-edit) serializations that nevertheless are a good fit for text-oriented tools. - ThreadSky

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shriram.bsky.social • 193 days ago

And there's actually so much I want to embed in programs. Not only images but also spreadsheets and tables and what not. All kinds of things that have pretty renderings and sensible (but ugly and hard-to-edit) serializations that nevertheless are a good fit for text-oriented tools.

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johnericson.me•193 days ago

And we really need to get people used to swapping out line-based doff for something smarter

gregorkiczales.bsky.social•193 days ago

Yes, you want to include all of that for sure. Uuencoding it is one approach. Another is to use some kind of UDI scheme (or GitHub locator) and just leave the link in place. Again, I think preserving the ability to work with a minimal tool is key, if only during adoption (which lasts forever).

gregorkiczales.bsky.social•193 days ago

I'm sure you (won't) love this, but you're starting to sound a little like the intentional programming direction there. Although again, it's a matter of what you take the base to be - or put another way, how easy is it to get work done with this the base and a plain text editor.

gregorkiczales.bsky.social•193 days ago

In IP, *as I understood it*, you needed the sophisticated tooling to make any sense of the code. That's because the direction was higher-level model to lower level code, not "what we call code today" -> registered to multiple higher levels where it can be edited.

shriram.bsky.social•193 days ago

Yeah, no, I definitely don't want to go down that path. In designing Pyret, compatibility with existing systems was a big consideration. But we're definitely playing with ideas for different views there:
https://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Publications/Papers/Published/pmvnpkl-repartee-repl/

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