Musk is not the authority of debate .
I left twitter as soon as he took over , I had endured 4 years of trying to reason with certain people who verbally attacked me , it wasn’t good or healthy, it didn’t achieve anything , it was the definition of insanity.
I deactivated my account on US election night though I had already become disillusioned with the site because I spent more time blocking than tweeting. I had already set up this account in preparation so the switch was easy.
Musk calling the UK government a dictatorship while avoiding labelling Putin’s regime as one is hardly evidence of X being a 'free speech' platform or having a balanced view. Actions speak louder than words.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Since Elon has become a full time politician shareholders at each of his companies should sue to cut his pay and even remove him from the company - bad enough he’s already making full time pay at 4 or 5 companies already? How is all of this not a violation of corporate governance standards?
There was a reason he immigrated to the US and the reason is the same as Murdoch's. Since the 'Reagan Revolution' our tax laws have molded a favorable tax landscape for billionaires. One in which they can hire a platoon of tax lawyers to avoid paying any at all to their adopted country.
whenever I replied to one MAGA posting nonsense, the X algorithm had my main feed receiving all manner of Trump bullshit at the expense of things that actually interested me.
He turned it into a hate speech platform.People who don't "f🍁ck their feelings" have a hard time being exposed to that every single day.The vileness, the putrid comments, the lies, the threats, etc. Bucky removing all the safeguards and encouraging it himself.It could be true? It absolutely isn't. 🤷♀️
I don’t think it’s an unfair statement to make that many of the prejudicial posts on Twitter would easily fail a fact check. And that’s why the fact checking has been dismantled.
I made the mistake of trying to engage in a dialogue, but when I said something these alleged "right-wing" thinkers didn't agree with, I was a "libtard pedo." If you knew me, I would never be considered far left. I just couldn't accept Trump's blatant idiocy and constant lies 🤷
My actual account on X hardly gets any reach. My fake pro Trump account grew to 1200 followers in a week, continues to grow, and has a huge reach. So I'm really not up for that sort of manipulation, especially by an oligarch who has bought his way into the Whitehouse.
The reason I’m here is that when I’m on x, the first thing I have to look at is musk, the second is a giant advertisement and then if I’m lucky, I get to see some of my photographer follows. So I do occasionally still stroll there.
Slanted bullshit... I've been shadow banned for well over a year, going on two... reach and followers capped so I could get past 5k followers... MAGA can reap what they sow are fight amongst yourselves, which you do anyways 😉🙄
Joel. He turned it into a free speech platform? If he had we all wouldn’t be here. He made it insufferable…every time you went to the “for you” section you immediately know it was “for him.” Long live Bluesky
How many accounts of journalists and free speakers have been blocked on Twitter since he took over? They block without a real appeal just for not respecting their terms of service.
That's a real question. I think actual interaction is the real strength of Bsky.
Twitter had turned into simply a broadcast platform for the big accounts, or self-promoters, but with (at least) 1/3 hostile bots. Very little interaction that wasn't negative.
I disagree, it’s just trolls, bots, racists and deeply disturbed people making violent threats and screaming abuse. One cannot have a conversation with someone whose reality was created by Alex Jones or Fox.
There were conservative writers I enjoyed reading over there. I like anyone who makes me think. I don’t want to live in an echo chamber. It was the judgmental and insulting trolls who made me decide to leave.
It’s not. He turned it into a cesspool of lies, disinformation, and hate.
Even if those are considered to be free speech, he’s not performing a public service by amplifying liars and bigots. Nor is there any hypocrisy when free speech advocates choose not to listen to them.
I'm almost 70.(🤮). What happened to "if you don't have something good to say, keep quiet", and speaking respectfully to others. You don't have to agree, and you don't have to be silent, but you SHOULD be respectful, even if you feel the other isn't deserving of respect. 1/2
Free speech is not the same thing as bully speech. Opening a conversation with words like: libtard, idiot, dumbass etc is not a conversation, it is abuse. Freedom to speak and believe what you want does not mean freedom to abuse others. Seems like a simple concept to me.
Propaganda is not free speech. Free speech is not carte blanche to broadcast lies used to manipulate/discredit known facts, in this case on X for political traction. Goebbels said it best, if you tell a lie long enough it becomes the truth.
I'm on X. I read tons of comments. It's not discourse it's swearing, name-calling, duplicate profiles, bots, and advertisements. It's impossible to get value through the noise. Esp. true of politics, finance and sports not as bad.
Nope, he removed the block function and controlled the feed and when you're constantly screamed at and told you body my choice constantly its time to leave
I noticed a HUGE change the minute anyone could pay for a blue tick & see their tweets prioritised. Bot after bot reply making it impossible to have any kind of dialogue and the people i normally engaged with I couldn’t find as they were lost 😞
You don’t wait to try to control abuse, you set safe boundaries and if you can’t (you’re not in charge of the algorithms) or they don’t work (your settings) you leave. If you don’t you are trauma bonded.
I have to disagree with you Joel.
Blocking Nazis, trolls, and fascists doesn’t make it an “echo chamber.” People need to stop gaslighting us into thinking we have to listen to Nazis and debate trolls in order to be informed. Disagree and debate with me all you like, just don't be a c... about it.
It isn't true, no. His platform has suspended dramatically more accounts than the old platform, agreed to more state censorship requests, and banned words like ‘cis’ because of his capricious nature.
He promotes his own and sympathetic tweets.
He shadow bans those he doesn’t agree with and admits to it.
He runs his own bot farms.
It’s the most boring whataboutism to compare that to debate.
Use to have a friend that said Ford sucks, buy a Chevy. When I asked why, he would say only gays drive Fords. Free speech vs. Intelligent debate. That is why I choose @bsky.app
Why the fuck should anyone have to put up with hate speech, racism, misogyny, trolling and general fucktardery ? People in general don't experience this IRL so why do you think they moved away from X
They can send trans ppl memes of a person or charicature of a trans person being killed and they say it’s “free speech” but if I say cis or cisgender it’s considered a slur or hate speech? Then RWNJs get pissy when I say something abt pronouns and deadnaming? Please. Weak ass pos every single one.
Social networks thrive when they incentivize good behavior and disincentive bad behavior. If they become a free for all where bullying is not only tolerated but amplified people will leave.
Right wingers can’t be happy unless they’re tormenting others which says more about them than anyone else.
Some of them may state that we should be more stoic however it’s rather futile to attempt to engage in a rational discussion with those who have abandoned rationalism.
We’re dealing with people who have attached themselves fully onto a zero sum game outrage born from aggrieved entitlement.
Right - be more stoic! Isn't that a laugh? As far as I'm concerned, surviving 4 years of Trump without committing violence was the very height of stoicism.
Initially, I read this as “it’s futile to attempt to engage in a rational discussion with those who have abandoned nationalism” and I was like whut?!? a humanist nationalist?
Interesting. I found the opposite to be the case. On that platform, my tweets somehow disappeared & I received a constant barge of far right propaganda even when i selected to only see tweets of follows. Plus, free flow of tweets was no longer selectable. The stream was controlled propaganda.
Flying pigs could be true.
But they aren't, in the same way this isn't
Elmo adjusted the algorithm, added in ridiculous amounts of dodgy adverts and made it a product many people didn't want, and then, good old capitalism and market forces did their stuff. Simple as.
Here's how "we" works. I speak of the people I interact with, on this subject at great length, so when I say "we", I mean those of us on BlueSky who frequently express exactly why they left Twitter
It's a thing socialists do. No one wants to be King. I appreciate that's hard for you to grasp
Because you're a woman, and some man just don't seem to want to share their powerful position I guess.
I don't take it either. I even tell my employers before I ever start.
You get it, lady. I personally noticed an uptick in some people freely calling me the N-word in the Elon era. Musk seems to think that free speech means that anything goes, except when he's the target of abuse. He has his space, now, we have ours. It's not about control, it's about civility.
Exactly. I had no problem staying on Xwitter when there was proper moderation. You can't go into a store, someone's home, or even in national parks without there being "rules". You follow them or leave. Social media and forums are no different. These 'free speech' people just aren't getting that.
I can only be called an evil baby killing whore so many times before I pack up my shit and leave. I was on there for 15 years. It became toxic after the dipshit bought it. I’m sure my heart doctor would’ve told me to leave too if he had known what I was subjecting myself to every day.
And why would anyone in the political center or the left want to support a business run by a hateful fascist who’s trying to destroy the country. Folks need to boycott more things.
You don’t think the bus boycotts made a difference during the Civil Rights Movement? Protest in America is essential to keeping democracy. It’s foundational. This includes boycotts. Ask Budweiser how much the boycott over a trans woman’s promo of their product impacted their business.
It could be but it isn't. Nothing stops those rightwads opening an account on BS except their lack of intestinal fortitude in a place where they can't control the narrative.
Oh and PS, I didn't leave X, X disabled my account for making remarks about Musk. Because obvs they believe in free speech.
Not for me as living in the Netherlands. In the USA hate speech is part of the first amendment but not in my country.
X has also has to obey the law in other countries but refuses it, that's why I left X. If I'm not wrong then the EU also doesn't allow it.
And this place is turning into the “safe” place for all those lefties who left. I’m a centrist, so this place is turning into an echo chamber for those dissatisfied with ANYTHING Labor does. Really tedious now.
At least to the US constitution. It's illegal to falsely shout "fire" in a crowded theater for the immediate harm to cause that kind of stress and panic. Also anti discrimination and harassment laws exist.
So the part where lots of people whose accounts had been permanently banned for Hate Speech were suddenly reinstated (and algorithmically boosted), that constitutes Free Speech?
That stated opinion you think 'could' be true is myopic at best.
SOMEBODY has to be the fucking adult here! I didn’t wanna be an adult! But the right done lost they minds and went fascists! Y’all gonna act like babies, that’s how you’ll be treated! Have your tantrums in the corner. The adults are talking
Before Elmo took it over there was enough moderation that the right-wing approach to discussion - being an insulting fact-free bigoted ass - didn't work. Turning off blocking is also a big deal.
I'm still there because I have a few moots I'm waiting to move here.
Were you on X? I was insignificant on X (I know same as here), but I felt like I was waterboarded with all right wing, crypto, porn & rarely saw ppl I actually followed. Your comment sounds more like whataboutism from lazy & complicit legacy media.
Giving the Right a bullhorn while choking the Left to a whisper is not a free speech platform. Replies that are nothing but personal attacks and threats is not a conversation. Refusing to listen to lies and hate is not censorship.
Except no, there have been documented changes to the way posts are prioritised on X to give preference to right wing voices and ideas. Along with obviously all the stuff that was purely there to boost his own posts, and then the changes made specifically to get Trump elected.
There are thousands of examples :
That Trump is a rapist, that he’s trying to enact project 2025 (Vought agreed with Trump to establish it before leaving office)
The word “cis” is a heterosexual slur. Shame on anyone who uses it.
We are not ‘cis male’ or ‘cis female’.
We are simply male or female.
No prefix required.
Thank you for your compassion and respect in advance.
Was Doxed twice off of Twitter
Police arrested pickup driver with guns by my home
& & I asked Fort Bragg dudes to update my DIA file for me on 2nd death threat
Had to delete account due to RL threats & ongoing concern for safety
So Sorry
But i GUARD RAPISTS AS A JOB.
Except it's not true.
Elon Musk turned Twitter into an algorithmic, bot-fueled hatescape. NO ONE in their right mind -- liberal, conservative, libertarian, or unaffiliated -- would want to stay in a place where hate is the flavor du jour, every day.
People got tired of the assault.
i got perma banned from Twitter for calling Hannity a liar! but sure.....call it free speach......they get to lie everyday without consequences but if you call them out on their BS you get the boot....
This is false. All our freedoms come with responsibilities and consequences. If one is free to post blatant lies and conspiracy theories, another is free to disengage. There were few genuine conversations when I left. It was a cesspool. I have freedoms, too.
Musk didn't turn twitter into a free speech platform, ffs. He turned it into a manipulated platform for hate speech. He throttled journalists and truthtellers and amplified the voices of hate and racism.
I don’t agree. When you buy a social media platform claiming to want it to be a free speech space, then remove its safeguards and have it fill with the most violent hate speech, that’s a deliberate agenda.
And prioritizing blue checks means I have to wade through such a sea of dreck and outright lunacy before I see any posts that are even remotely on topic.
Normal people don't take part in discussions based on misinformation promoted by algorithms. Specially when the interlocutors are insulting bots and propagandists.
But more likely they’re real people in low income countries running engagement farms now that Elon amplifies right wing sentiment & pays for engagement. $500+ a month could pay for a family to eat & all they need to do is troll Americans
Also, English is a primary language in most South Asian countries. Including Bangladesh & India some of the worst poverty, lowest incomes & largest populations
It’s the dumb ones that believe the misinformation & disinformation that is spread by the bots. They’re the ones that’re deliberately being antagonistic, attack women & those they feel are weaker than them. They took part in Jan 6th, pay money to Yaxley-Lenon, voted for Trump, voted for Johnson etc.
Musk did turn Twitter into the sewer it has become, he is a right wing apartheid believer, misogynistic, homophobic troublemaker with bottomless pockets. Instead of going good, all he wants is chaos that he can profit from.
A lot of people understand the word 'profit' as meaning 'money' but he proved he doesn't care about that.
He needs it for something else that we don't understand yet.
Musk is a strategist. It's all part of his grand plan. Owning Trump and all the camp followers is more sinister.
“It’s the left’s fault they made this a Nazi bar when they went to another bar because they didn’t want to drink with Nazis so only the Nazis are left”
I’m with you there. Can I thank myself and the rest who left to come here for the porn? 😂 I’ll take that. 😂 I’ve still got an account on there because a lot of my posts work on both sides. The great thing here is other ppl see my posts. 👍🏻😂
The X algorithm is constantly slapping Russian propaganda in my face. I'm all for free speech. It's not that I feel like we should censor it. But seriously, there's a limit.
Soon. There's still a few interesting accounts I follow that haven't moved yet. I go there every other day to see what they posted, but I don't look at the feed anymore.
But it’s not true, it’s nothing to do with free speech or the control of it, there are just some things that shouldn’t be said in a peace seeking, civilised society but it is being allowed to be said and we won’t be a part of that. Without a moral compass, we cease being civilised.
Not even close to reality. Musk has actively banned his critics and tipped his thumb on the scales prioritizing his speech at the expense of others and allowing misinformation on the platform to grow unchecked.
It’s more of a national security issue when the owner of SpaceX is drug-addled on ketamine, dependent on the goodwill of China for his Shanghai Tesla factory and is talking on the side with Vladimir Putin.
Basically my feed got overrun by posts about the US election (from both camps).
I think Musk doesn't realise that, for most of us on social media, politics is just one hobby among many, not a profession.
Fair point, but I'm British & living in the UK.
I'd have left Twitter, just the same, if the platform had been overrun by comments about the French or German elections.
Yes. of course, but the fact we're talking about it on social media makes it a hobby in my view, albeit about important things.
I suppose you could argue that all human activity is in some way "political". That idea goes all the way back to Aristotle!
It’s not about conversation it’s about making the algorithm pushing right contents and hiding left ones. And now please go back to that shithole called X and never come back here.
You mean the site that censors the word 'cis,' but lets nazis post swastikas, and repeatedly suspended left-wing accounts with no stated reason, or for the purpose of censoring news stories? The site that complied with requests of foreign governments to remove tweets? That free speech platform?
Yeah, I've reported several users for the most blatant ToS violations, with the same result. Meanwhile, I get autoflagged for saying tobacco/cannabis pipes *hit* smoother if the *neck* is long and narrow, funny how that works.
Not true...there's moderation in life, and rules (laws) everywhere except there.
It's a fist fight every fcuking day there.
That's not real life!
Bad for your mental health!
I don’t think it’s a leftie thing. Humans in general don’t like being told they aren’t as worthy of consideration and don’t deserve equal rights. Staying healthy means ignoring that basic messsge. This tends to be a right wing schtick (trans, female, gay, nonwhite etc) so not a big 🤷♀️
Bigotry, homophobia, racism and misogyny became a “ok done here bye” for a lot of people in the last few years. What’s the point of interacting with that?
I add ignoring facts or centuries of science for a TikTok influencer
And—last word, I promise—I’d rather be blocked and ignored than told I’m trash.
It works well in the real world after all. If I don’t like someone’s lifestyle or choices? Not my business, so I don’t speak up about stuff that doesn’t harm anyone.
Free speech, that concept that I think means that you have to listen to my bullshit even though thats not what it means, is for me. It's not for you, libtard.
Humans being humans, this could be true. However, I believe X became what it is because hate infected, venom-spewing MAGA made X impossible to conduct meaningful discourse. So folks left.
I don't agree with this at all. Musk censored people, throttled accounts and actually banned when people talked bad about him. That doesn't cry free speech to me.
'fraid not, I have NEVER been able to have a meaningful conversation with a right winger. I have provided them with fact after fact, source after source, study after study to demonstrate how they are objectively wrong about something and all they can do is fling shit everywhere and claim victory.
The most interesting "conversation" I ever had with a conservative MAGA freak was when I pointed out some obvious facts about liberals (see below). He was in complete denial and refused to believe any of it.
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I left twitter as soon as he took over , I had endured 4 years of trying to reason with certain people who verbally attacked me , it wasn’t good or healthy, it didn’t achieve anything , it was the definition of insanity.
Ex Twitter is con man Elon Musk’s personal Pravda!
#ElonQ
$TSLAQ
Straight to Gulag!!!
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Elon Musk is the enemy.
Very much so…
I'll mute you instead for being too boring to block.
Slanted bullshit... I've been shadow banned for well over a year, going on two... reach and followers capped so I could get past 5k followers... MAGA can reap what they sow are fight amongst yourselves, which you do anyways 😉🙄
No problem, it's what I do... talk shit with words & song...
I like the tune.
Yeah, lol 😆 confirmed...
Klippenstein being the most egregious case.
The algo isn't gamed to boost Elon on Bsky.
So which possibility seems more true?
I wonder how that will go for the app longterm?
Twitter had turned into simply a broadcast platform for the big accounts, or self-promoters, but with (at least) 1/3 hostile bots. Very little interaction that wasn't negative.
Even if those are considered to be free speech, he’s not performing a public service by amplifying liars and bigots. Nor is there any hypocrisy when free speech advocates choose not to listen to them.
https://bsky.app/profile/graemefromit.bsky.social/post/3lcavugpl4f2b
You think we aren’t up for the fight. Holy fuck are you in for a surprise.
I'll look forward to the midterms.
All that's left is dumb, racist, misogynistic name-calling, and crypto-scams. Twitter is a wasteland: I learn nothing there.
Elon broke it.
Right wing people are welcome on BSky. People are not obliged to listen to them though. Free speech doesn’t equate to the right to an audience.
Which is funnily enough, wrong!
"Concerning!"
Does it change over time?
Blocking Nazis, trolls, and fascists doesn’t make it an “echo chamber.” People need to stop gaslighting us into thinking we have to listen to Nazis and debate trolls in order to be informed. Disagree and debate with me all you like, just don't be a c... about it.
Btw, I’m obviously not the only peep who’s questioned your claim Joel - are you also asking them to explain?
But you've come through with the goods.
Yes, the reporting system on X is broken.
Deliberately so, I suspect.
He shadow bans those he doesn’t agree with and admits to it.
He runs his own bot farms.
It’s the most boring whataboutism to compare that to debate.
The earth says hello
You twinkle above us
X festers below
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/elon-musk-confirms-that-he-s-limiting-people-s-ability-to-share-outside-news-on-x/ar-AA1uKy0m?ocid=BingNewsBrowse
Right wingers can’t be happy unless they’re tormenting others which says more about them than anyone else.
We’re dealing with people who have attached themselves fully onto a zero sum game outrage born from aggrieved entitlement.
But they aren't, in the same way this isn't
Elmo adjusted the algorithm, added in ridiculous amounts of dodgy adverts and made it a product many people didn't want, and then, good old capitalism and market forces did their stuff. Simple as.
Also who's we?
Are you the King?
It's a thing socialists do. No one wants to be King. I appreciate that's hard for you to grasp
Could you be any more condescending?
Actually don't answer that.
I already know.
Hey, I didn't make the rules...
I didn't make the rules.
You keep at it scrapper. One day you might say something that isn’t irretrievably stupid.
Offline, if I was in a relationship with someone who abused me daily, and I left them, would I be *criticized* that I took control of my situation?🤔
I don't take it either. I even tell my employers before I ever start.
I have never boycotted anything in my life.
Oh and PS, I didn't leave X, X disabled my account for making remarks about Musk. Because obvs they believe in free speech.
X has also has to obey the law in other countries but refuses it, that's why I left X. If I'm not wrong then the EU also doesn't allow it.
At least to the US constitution. It's illegal to falsely shout "fire" in a crowded theater for the immediate harm to cause that kind of stress and panic. Also anti discrimination and harassment laws exist.
That stated opinion you think 'could' be true is myopic at best.
The Krassensteins were brought back too. Did they engage in hate speech? If so, against whom?
Before Elmo took it over there was enough moderation that the right-wing approach to discussion - being an insulting fact-free bigoted ass - didn't work. Turning off blocking is also a big deal.
I'm still there because I have a few moots I'm waiting to move here.
My main engagement is from Spaces and reply guying.
It's fun, but the algo is definitely painful to deal with.
This is not a "safe space" for them.
That's why they cry so much about being cancelled when people try and bring them up.
What facts do rightwingers ignore?
That Trump is a rapist, that he’s trying to enact project 2025 (Vought agreed with Trump to establish it before leaving office)
We are not ‘cis male’ or ‘cis female’.
We are simply male or female.
No prefix required.
Thank you for your compassion and respect in advance.
You don't speak for me.
So please don't label me
Thats great, so please don't dump your garbage here on Bluesky okay🙄🇦🇺
Police arrested pickup driver with guns by my home
& & I asked Fort Bragg dudes to update my DIA file for me on 2nd death threat
Had to delete account due to RL threats & ongoing concern for safety
So Sorry
But i GUARD RAPISTS AS A JOB.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/06/right-stupidity-spreads-enabled-polite-left
Some facts do.
Many examples of attempts at coercive control of speech on this thread suggest there's some truth in it.
Elon Musk turned Twitter into an algorithmic, bot-fueled hatescape. NO ONE in their right mind -- liberal, conservative, libertarian, or unaffiliated -- would want to stay in a place where hate is the flavor du jour, every day.
People got tired of the assault.
This, too… https://bsky.app/profile/briantylercohen.bsky.social/post/3lc7jtgznuk2e
Leftists simply have no interest in “engaging” with people who make up their own reality and then call us names.
Blocking.
This post is insulting.
Simple as that. 🤷♀️
But more likely they’re real people in low income countries running engagement farms now that Elon amplifies right wing sentiment & pays for engagement. $500+ a month could pay for a family to eat & all they need to do is troll Americans
Also, real people in low income countries normally are seldom fluent in urban English or French.
You shift all of the power draw to the user
They need x verification, a credit card & needs to seem like real engagement
He needs it for something else that we don't understand yet.
Musk is a strategist. It's all part of his grand plan. Owning Trump and all the camp followers is more sinister.
Source: my Law degree.
I don't like the rest.
Don’t worry about losing your followers.
They will all find you here, where we can live in relative peace.
I choose not to consume something that gives me nothing back.
This comment proves it right.
I think Musk doesn't realise that, for most of us on social media, politics is just one hobby among many, not a profession.
I'd have left Twitter, just the same, if the platform had been overrun by comments about the French or German elections.
I suppose you could argue that all human activity is in some way "political". That idea goes all the way back to Aristotle!
It's a fist fight every fcuking day there.
That's not real life!
Bad for your mental health!
I add ignoring facts or centuries of science for a TikTok influencer
It works well in the real world after all. If I don’t like someone’s lifestyle or choices? Not my business, so I don’t speak up about stuff that doesn’t harm anyone.