Exactly. And that's how the Democratic party hangs themselves every f****** time. That's why it's time for a third party. I'd rather take my chances splitting it three ways then keep doing the same stupid s*** that we've been doing and winding up with this and worse
I think fElon has aspirations to do more than run doge for tRump. fElon takes more power to himself every day. fElon and Putin also have phone calls. I wonder if they are plotting to replace tRump once he has totally destroyed the U.S. Putin would love to see a foreigner running the U.S.
I don't think Dems need to move to the center. I do think they need to demonstrate to rural, under-educated, white working-class voters that the MAGA GOP does not have their best interests in mind. Unions, living wages, paid healthcare, childcare & making the rich pay taxes should be Dem strengths.
But at the same time right wingers were being lied to by their party and Fox News- especially during Obama’s 8 years in office- outrage by RWNJ was once ignored but DJT fed their hatred and racism
sick of the" Dems" need to learn this crap... they are not a monolith.. they are a very loose amalgamation of very wide ideological perspectives.. thinking they should all think and act alike is a waste of time and energy They are not the problem THIS is the Problem FREE https://substack.com/home/post/p-157788500
false... you have no clue what democratic leadership thinks... it is along the line of how do we keep as many people as possible happy... This is free.. skip the subscribe ad they have tagged me with.. go to the headline (Messaging 101) below the ad and click on it.. https://substack.com/home/post/p-158686994
I would take a loose amalgamation of people trying to sort through issues any day to a fascist cult 🤷♀️ And other options like Jill Stein, where is she now? Working hard for her people? And the couch 90 million people picked, working hard to represent their interests?
If you say that you are a Centrist, my first question is, "What year? Because 2016 looks a lot different than 2024 and I want to let you know, whatever my politics is the center left around 2016.
Dems listen to too many former Repubs, Never Trumpers & pundits. We're IN A CRISIS. Effective messages for the mess need NOT be measured, careful & weak. Don't dilute messages to lure the elusive center; instead capture those ready for action with what's bold, fearless & true. Others will follow.
I’m definitely a moderate except on women’s issues (and other maligned people) and anything involving kids BUT I definitely think it’s time we fight fire with fire and stop pretending the other side is playing by the rules. Time for change!
Here's an example: The "Green New Deal" was a mishmash that went far beyond "Green" in propagating social change.
Another example: The huge push for LGBTQ+ rights is not bad in itself, but it overshadows the Blacks and Hispanics who still suffer from systemic racism, and it gives a target for MAGA.
The Dems have not "moved to the center". They have moved to the left. The moderates don't want to follow them and the farther left the Dems go, the more opposition is generated on the MAGA extreme.
I know, because I am an Independent driven to the Dems by MAGA, but concerned about progressives.
Nazis aren't bothered by protests or court orders or social media takedowns or doxxing or snarky comments or thumbs down or hostile interviews or filibustering or town hall brouhahas or any of the normal avenues of pushback. The sooner people realize this the better. The later people realize ...
Which Would Be 'Better' For The Democratic Party? Which Would ENSURE A Strong, Loyal, and More Motivated Base?
1. Democratic Base ALLOWS Current Leadership To Try And Pivot To A More 'Modern' Style Of Leadership?
2. Base INSISTS On More 'Modern' Leaders-With A More Modern Style Of Leadership?
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So we're going to push "center left" Democrats out of the party like republikkklans did the "center right" after embracing the racist, extremist tea party in 2010? How has that worked out for our country?
Exactly. This is like saying that by being nice to a bully you will “accomplish more”, or they will “leave you alone”, which neither is true. I teach my kids to punch a bully in the face.
Nobody is asking them to change policies. They need to change their messaging. Joe Sixpack doesn’t worry about trans rights. He worries about affordable housing, pollution, feeding kids, small business, infrastructure, etc. For some reason those policies get buried in the noise.
I have Trumpers in my extended family. They equate Dems with gays, trans, and abortions. Most people agree that they are important issues, but for most people who make less than $100K per year, those issues aren’t at the top of a list of worries. As you say, it could be because of Rep propaganda.
To restore democracy both parties will need to be dismantled & reworked completely. The amounts politicians receive from donors has to be significantly limited. Politicians as a whole are too removed from the lives of average Americans. Most are bought by big business.
We'll have to disagree on this one, Jess. Horseshoe theory is alive and well in the USA, and we are losing the fight for the vast majority of the center.
Every time people denigrate and alienate the 80% of people in the "center", it strengthens the other side. We have to do better.
No. Pussies are the strongest part of the human race. I believe you meant dick. 😉 It also takes great strength & courage to be a pacifist. We can fight back with strength, courage, and wisdom. None of those things require getting "dirty" to succeed. Low & and loud, perhaps, but not dirty.
The problem isn't where on the Left / Center / Right Continuum people's opinions or ideas are. The problem is when those ideas and opinions aren't FACT based.
Those who deal in actual facts are solving real problems.
MAGA LIED.
People who have been lied to are solving problems that don't exist.
exactly! Just like if by "woke" they mean no longer asleep, letting the corrupt billionaires take over, and being aware that there are people outside ourselves we should be thinking and caring about... yeah I am PROUDLY woke. ✊️
You need a platform that merges center firmness on foreign policy/unchecked migration with a far left care for the weakest in society. And tax the ultra rich for gods sake!
Exactly. You’re either for democracy and freedom or a Nazi collaborator. How do I know? Listen to Republican town halls. If you can find one. If you’re in Congress and don’t understand that, resign.
Are you listenin @hakeem-jeffries.bsky.social ? Of course your not. and your unpaid intern in charge of your BS account is likely too frightened to tell you. WAKE THE FUCK UP!
I think if we are gonna keep a two party system, the two parties should be democrat and democratic socialist. The center is about as far right as we should EVER go! right of center seems to always end up hurting people.
The Clintons are simply rebranded republicans who drug the democrats ti the right of Dick Nixon
Biden voted with the GOP over 70% of the time
Center is an illusion
Take a stand
You give a damn about human rights which defines you as left
Or you don’t which defines you as right
Go figure🤷♂️💙🇺🇦💙
Not true. By moving too far left, you allow the stupid to jump on the fascist train. I don't even believe that immigration has anything to do with it. It is more so the criminal justice system where it seems criminals have more rights than the victims and we allow small crimes to go unpunished
Let's face it. The Dems played the same damn game as the GOP did. For years they all played the public, stock market, and pocketed huge incomes, benefits, and gold plated retirements.
Until we got a conscience with the woke phenomenon and saw what they were doing.
Now it's biting them in the butt.
Very true: Even US MSM and podcasts don't talk about "Centrist" policies or a centrist party. US politics has been sabotaged with one side always claiming to be the victim of leftist/liberal/woke policies. The worst part is: The Democrats allows this defamation.
US Dem “center” was always rightwing. The problem is some far left Dems didn’t vote because Gaza. So stop pretending moving as far left as possible is the strategy to win elections.
“Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men.” - John Adams
Most of us on the left are no where near being centrist. A lot lean towards Democratic Socialism. Which is so far from center no one is leaning conservative at this point!!!
But the leadership believes this. And most of the Old Guard and those that call themselves “moderates” our right of centre and therefore they’ve convinced themselves year after year that the only way to win is to go right of centre and that is why they lose
That’s because where they are now- that’s where all the money is- the insider trading. If they leave that mentality behind- the money stays behind too- it’s quite a conundrum for greedy ass hats that’s for sure
The leader needs to be educated and serve the current needs of the country. The old guard hasn’t changed with the times so there messages are feckless in the current climate. Negotiating with the other side may have worked in the past. Not anymore.
The old guard needs to go. Old ideas no longer work. Chuck Schumer still thinks he can negotiate with GOP terrorists and those days are over. I’m old so I feel I can say I want to see younger candidates willing to fight and bring new ideas to the table. We need to “chuck” Chuck.
Yes, but she also talked about the border and Law and order and sticking with Biden on Gaza;none of those are “left ideas” she tried to balance between both and then at the end they blame her left ideas for being the reason she lost instead of looking in the mirror
As Jesse Jackson called them "Democrats for the Leisure Class", now known as Third Way, the corporate coddling, affluent caressing
milquetoast centrists.
I disagree. I'm a center, moderate Democrat & am willing to do what I need to do to save the country. I don't believe in being labeled. I don't like only one slot, conservative or liberal. Some issues need either a liberal or conservative approach. DEI is GOOD! Raising kids needs do's & dont's as
With tens of millions of former Democratic voters staying home and Trump’s Oligarch Party winning by only a bit over 1% I do not believe this concussion is supported.
Im not sure I agree.
That sounds like echo chamber talk.
I am the center. @adamkinzinger.bsky.social and @countryfirst.bsky.social is at the center.
Maybe your vision of center is skewed?
Wild left is burning dealerships and vandalism. Center is using democracy to make change.
That is all.
The democrats always think pandering to the right is the secret sauce. They need to support their base. Say what you will about republicans, but they pander to their bat shit crazy base to the bitter end.
This is the problem with democrats. They will never ever actually organize their base because their base wants things their donors will not tolerate. It is why the democratic coalition is fickle and disorganized.
But the propaganda machine has convinced “Murica” that any social program is that boogie man “Communism”‼️😱😱
And the old school Dems think that going right will court the maganites !
Forget that shit! They are a cult and won’t question der orange leader until they are living in carboard boxes ‼️😳🙄🙄
Im seeing more people feeling like they were let down by the Democrats and defeatism due to that. Except for a few Dems have no spine and keep giving in. There’s no fight. Perhaps we need a New party to embrace democracy and our values but is filled with fighters to do the job we voted them to do
In this fight we need to adopt the following stance, 'You are either with us or against us!' There is NO MIDDLE GROUND. 90 million, YES! 90 MILLION took the 'middle ground and did not vote last time. This is the result.
The reason some Dem leadership is moving towards the center is because of profit motive. They are center-left oligarchs prioritizing their wallets and greed over a stronger working class. Why would they oppose rw fiscal policies that help their bottom line?
What does he mean by “moving to center”?
In a European perspective, The Democratic Party is pretty steep to the right of anything resembling a political center. Of course the GOP is somewhere between NSDAP and Attila The Hun...
I'd argue it's not even 'center', it's further right. As an example, I'd look at Biden's unquestioning support and bankrolling of a far right Israeli administration as it clearly breaks international humanitarian law.
I lost faith in American Democrats during the first DeLuLu term. His con, his stupidity, his ineptitude needed to be met with rigorous, relentless effort. Instead, the old guard refuses to let go of old playbooks. So, they’ve been played and they are in a spinning round room looking for a corner
In 1992 at the early HF abortion protests when they threw red paint on us as blood of unborn, dem leadership mocked progressives as extremists using radical language for calling the GOP theocratic fascists. How's that working out? Signed ex Citizen Action staff trainer exGreenpeace activist long ago
To all anti-Fascists, racism and blind hatred has always and will always be apart of the fabric in certain spheres, but corruption is what makes it dangerous. For all looking to Bernie for leadership please understand. He's not a threat to corruption. I am. https://youtu.be/6DiFMv6uTxY?si=L88fK_Sc7FIAsSPv
I have said it once and will say it again. What is the right policy or approach that should be embraced? Bigotry? Racism? Hatred? Authoritarianism? Please do enlighten me.
Unfortunately Dems’ answer to everything is to move to the center because they’re funded by the same billionaires republicans are. Until we get legalized bribery out of politics, nothing gets better.
I don't think that's inherently true. Politics are not actually on a line from left to right but a plane. The issue is up or down, not left or right. We can go full left, and still be center on the Y axis.
We call it the left & right through tribalism but really its democracy or dictatorship
Any country that peacefully transfers power frequently to new different administrations is a democracy - most western politics is actually the centre the so called left & right have fairly similar policies
America generally falls here. And really all left or all right... neither is necessarily bad. It only becomes a problem when we start to move up the Y axis. Which is where we are now in this country, unfortunately.
And they need to learn it fast. The town halls that they’re too frightened to attend are perfect opportunities to connect with red state voters. People are angry and clamoring for someone to listen to them.
each time the Democrats moved a little further They screamed left wing radicals, activist judges while the armed militias of the right trained & and another cache of weapons found they screamed omg ANTIFA! I never believed in taking the high road with people who wanted to push me off a cliff!
Completely agree. Like it or not, policy is secondary. People now want an IDENTITY. A movement. Move to the left. Call the anti trump movement what it is, a revolution. Eat the rich. Trying to capture "the center" is yesterday's strategy.
The way to make them learn this is to not vote for them. Nothing would 'whig' (sharp pun intended) them out more than if the Greens started getting more than 5% of the vote. Butch Ware is running for governor of California, green party. Give the corporatist aipac stooge Gavin a migraine.
income inequality
generational poverty
billionaires
oligarchs
corporate monopolies
health insurance companies
out of control social media
out of control gun violence
They have abandoned the goal of governing, and adopt the goal of fundraising for themselves by letting the Pubes do whatever they please, pointing at it, and moaning, "You have to give us money to stop them."
I don't think the moderate Dem position is trying to find a middle between freedom and oligarchs. I think moderate Dems accept the possibility that maybe we do have an immigration problem. Maybe we do spend too much money on some things.
We need a slate of INDEPENDENTS, Dems like Schmuck Schumer, a closet Trump ass-kisser stands in the way and blocks progress on purpose. Wake up, Schumer is a traitor and gets $$.
The Biden administration was the shift from the center to the left, reflected in who was appointed to run the FTC and NLRB, and how hard they fought against corporations and for workers. It was reflected in their policies and support for workers and unions. It's why billionaires came after them.
But the left didn't come out and vote for them. Just the opposite. It came after them. The Democratic Party is never going to build its party around the left after that. That was the message.
Agreed. I also dismiss a lot of the center vs left crap. It's reductive and simplistic. And worse, it amplifies the Democratic circular firing squad when we really need to be sticking together fighting the fascists along with the never trump Republicans. We can fight each othet later
Yup. There is no center anymore, it’s the magaloon far right or you go to the left left short of Marxism but close to Democratic Socialism a la Denmark etc
We can't continue to keep blaming one party. Look how insane the republicans have gotten. Once we get new leadership in our party, you will see a radical change.
That Dems is very broad and doesn’t include the 92% that the party now wants to silence and push to the back.
I like him, but don’t revise history. There was a lot of hemming and hawing about voting for a qualified candidate that would’ve listened even if you disagreed w/ some of her policies.
I think some of them know this and honor it. However, there are certainly some who think compromising with the enemy is the way forward, and then sadly even some that allowed that enemy (the oligarch's) to co-opt them. Watch those who have started voting with the MAGA cult.
They didn't move to the centre. Every time Republicans moved to the right, Democrats. Moved to the right. In Europe, the Democrats would be considered Conservatives. They need to get back to the left.
Stop worrying about some ideological position We need to be about principals not position. And to brand it well and make it repeatable it needs to be three things equal rights for all Economic opportunity. Empathy and understanding to care for all Americans
Republicans focused on immigration , transgender and inflation. Republicans and Democrats agree on all! No open borders and no illegal criminals. No transgender men in women’s sports. We all want to lower inflation. Who’s fighting for transgender men in women’s sports? Made up propaganda
He stole my mantra,
But it is OK @rbreich.bsky.social
There is Freedom
There is Fascism
There is no Center, no
Middle when it involves the right to choose your life.
Fascism is being controlled in everything
You and yours.
No Center!!
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The "middle ground" between naked kleptocratic oligarchy and citizens being able to meet their needs is naked kleptocratic oligarchy.
The "middle ground" between fascism and democracy is fascism.
wake the fuck up america
They assume we will vote for them every time because the alternative is the Republicans.
Some of the population gets health insurance?
Moderate. Conservative. Libertarian.
It’s all bullshit and doesn’t hold up to scrutiny yet we accept it as a political position.
Another example: The huge push for LGBTQ+ rights is not bad in itself, but it overshadows the Blacks and Hispanics who still suffer from systemic racism, and it gives a target for MAGA.
I know, because I am an Independent driven to the Dems by MAGA, but concerned about progressives.
1. Democratic Base ALLOWS Current Leadership To Try And Pivot To A More 'Modern' Style Of Leadership?
2. Base INSISTS On More 'Modern' Leaders-With A More Modern Style Of Leadership?
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Harris is black.
Harris is a woman.
It wasn't because of politics that she lost.
Every time people denigrate and alienate the 80% of people in the "center", it strengthens the other side. We have to do better.
He's creating more division.
Those who deal in actual facts are solving real problems.
MAGA LIED.
People who have been lied to are solving problems that don't exist.
Wake up americans.
Biden voted with the GOP over 70% of the time
Center is an illusion
Take a stand
You give a damn about human rights which defines you as left
Or you don’t which defines you as right
Go figure🤷♂️💙🇺🇦💙
The DNC and Schumer and Jeffries and a whole bunch of DINOs like the “good billionaires” Just ask DNC Chairman Ken Martin.
Yeats envisioned exactly this, slouching towards Bethlehem:
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43290/the-second-coming
48 consecutive months of Job growth
DOW went from 19,000 to over 43,000
but the RNC won the info Wars
and the DNC sucked Lemons royally
Someone yelling wild stories and crazy ideas about vaccines, immigrants, and the government.
Not sane, rational leadership. Not a steady hand.
And they got it.
Until we got a conscience with the woke phenomenon and saw what they were doing.
Now it's biting them in the butt.
Very true: Even US MSM and podcasts don't talk about "Centrist" policies or a centrist party. US politics has been sabotaged with one side always claiming to be the victim of leftist/liberal/woke policies. The worst part is: The Democrats allows this defamation.
“Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men.” - John Adams
https://themoralalgorithm.com/the-declaratory-act-and-the-moral-algorithm-of-american-independence/
They just don't want to give up their power because they *are* the centrists.
Progressive and left forces are seen as something they need to plan around, not constituents who should be served.
milquetoast centrists.
It's beyond time to fight back, and fight back hard!
They're still getting what they need. At least that's the optics I see. Which isn't a good thing.
Freedom of Speech
Rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Equal justice under the law for all people
I am radical as our revolutionary for-fathers and we only have them because of their radical fight.
That sounds like echo chamber talk.
I am the center. @adamkinzinger.bsky.social and @countryfirst.bsky.social is at the center.
Maybe your vision of center is skewed?
Wild left is burning dealerships and vandalism. Center is using democracy to make change.
That is all.
This is the problem with democrats. They will never ever actually organize their base because their base wants things their donors will not tolerate. It is why the democratic coalition is fickle and disorganized.
And the old school Dems think that going right will court the maganites !
Forget that shit! They are a cult and won’t question der orange leader until they are living in carboard boxes ‼️😳🙄🙄
If the guy hates capitalism so much, he should love trump’s tariffs. There are no tariffs in free market capitalism.
In a European perspective, The Democratic Party is pretty steep to the right of anything resembling a political center. Of course the GOP is somewhere between NSDAP and Attila The Hun...
Judging any nation by another standard can get pretty weird.
Compare republicans to iran and they seem just middle right wing. Lol
Also, what the fuck is going on in europe. Adl finished second in germany? And le pen finished second in france in 22?
Extremists on the left accused Kamala of being Republican because Liz Cheney campaign with her.
Cheney still believes in our institutions and government even if their policies weren’t aligned.
Extremists saw that as a threat and screwed us.
https://youtu.be/6DiFMv6uTxY?si=L88fK_Sc7FIAsSPv
Real life science, human needs and human rights LEANS towards “Progressive Politics”
Reality has a progressive bias.
The extremes are the problem… both sides (that are also the same, 🧲)
Any country that peacefully transfers power frequently to new different administrations is a democracy - most western politics is actually the centre the so called left & right have fairly similar policies
Schumer’s capitulation was the last straw.
https://youtu.be/ejjP8IWjYYs
I say "donors" because in every other country we call companies that sponsor politicians corruption.
A good number scream the dems are nazis and another decent numner say they are commies.
Interesting.
The sides are so extreme these days it's wild.
Maybe 4 more years of trump will smarten people up some?
Meanwhile, most people don't even understand either of the words and what being one truly means.
Comprehension and critical thinking are really skills that need to be focused on.
income inequality
generational poverty
billionaires
oligarchs
corporate monopolies
health insurance companies
out of control social media
out of control gun violence
Time for a change?
They have abandoned the goal of governing, and adopt the goal of fundraising for themselves by letting the Pubes do whatever they please, pointing at it, and moaning, "You have to give us money to stop them."
They don't stop them. That would ruin the grift.
> Socialism vs. libertarianism
> Compassion vs. narcissism
> Democracy vs. authoritarianism
> Hope vs. fear.
> Happiness vs. wealth
Sometimes I think we need at least six political parties.
It's hard to create a contrast when all the media does is criticize Dems and sane-wash oligarchy.
HA! Good one.
I like him, but don’t revise history. There was a lot of hemming and hawing about voting for a qualified candidate that would’ve listened even if you disagreed w/ some of her policies.
Kick them out and let the progressives free again!
1 - You are idiots.
2 - Money is your god.
3 - You are racists.
4 - You are gullible.
5 - When given power, you become a Donald Trump.
And you firmly believe in mythologies, i.e., religions.
But it is OK @rbreich.bsky.social
There is Freedom
There is Fascism
There is no Center, no
Middle when it involves the right to choose your life.
Fascism is being controlled in everything
You and yours.
No Center!!