As I just pointed out to a friemd: they don't believe in, transubstantiation, right? So the whole thing is a grand metaphor, right?
In which case, it could literally be water and turnip slivers. Lemonade and crisps. It makes zero difference what the hell it is as long as it's liquid and solid.
Jesus apparently ate barley bread, not wheat bread - so why is the church willing to use the wrong grain, but unwilling to use a different grain that doesn't impact on those of us that are gluten intolerant?
When Jesus delivered the Parable of the Sheep and Goats and the Sermon on the Mount (basically, about showing mercy and tolerance), U.S. evangelicals said, "Go home, Jesus. You're drunk."
It’s funny reading this if your church is an Anglican/Methodist ecumenical partnership. We have non-alcoholic wine offered along with the alcoholic wine all the time.
But since when a believer drinks it it's blood and when they eat it it's flesh (ie there's a transformation spell cast during the ceremony) it could start out as anything? It could be mountain dew and a jelly baby for all it matters?
I think Protestants see them as a symbol, where Catholics are supposed to believe that the bread and wine literally turn into the flesh and blood of Christ. - weird
Apparently non-wheat alternatives can't be considered bread, but wine can be considered the blood of a mythical son of a god. Faith is not as blind as it seems.
1/ As a former altar guild director, I obeyed our priest & put out gluten-free homemade wafers from the families who needed them. The priest insisted we refreeze the non consecrated ones. They turned into goo. They were always available at Mass, even when the families were no shows.
I know there was accidental cross contamination when the priest distributed the gluten-free ones. The commercially made gluten-free hosts were much easier to keep safe. With altar guilds using volunteers to handle the vessels, wine, and hosts, a fatigue sets in.
3/ coming to the altar to get blessed instead of ingesting wine or hosts is considered full Communion. Useful when worshippers don’t want to use a common cup, are sick, or abstain from alcohol. After fishing out “floaters” in the chalice, abstaining was the way to go for me.
Presbyterian church used shortbread and Ribena when I went to church in the 1980s. Mind you, they had a thing about alcohol. We were all encouraged to sign “the pledge “ when we were there.
I'm not an avid drinker, nor am I particularly pious either. So, non-alcoholic drinks and gluten-free wafers at Eucharist and communion are all okay with me. You have to think of people with dietary concerns such as coeliac, also teetotalers too.
But from what I've heard Jesus seemed like the kind of guy who had he known about gluten might have not told his disciples to eat gluten if one of them was unable, but also might not have said 'so you just imagine you ate bread' to Coeliac Paul.
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In which case, it could literally be water and turnip slivers. Lemonade and crisps. It makes zero difference what the hell it is as long as it's liquid and solid.
Thought not.
Grand Inquisitor.
If I had known I could get some legit wine at Church I might have gone more often.
Offer a bit of eternal salvation on the side and maybe people would even listen to a (decent, short) sermon?
Job done!
I'm really fed up with religion. It has no place in today's world.
I'm sorry my opinion is at odds with so many people out there who claim religion.
(I honestly don't know the differences between all this bs.)
Super weird.
But from what I've heard Jesus seemed like the kind of guy who had he known about gluten might have not told his disciples to eat gluten if one of them was unable, but also might not have said 'so you just imagine you ate bread' to Coeliac Paul.
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