Netanyahu is a monster; the world should abandon his government. Not Israel—his government. Until Israel has a government willing to seek peace, not genocide, I can’t understand continued affiliation with him at any level. What’s happening to the Gazans is one of the great disgraces of this century. - ThreadSky

sethabramson.bsky.social • 89 days ago

Netanyahu is a monster; the world should abandon his government. Not Israel—his government. Until Israel has a government willing to seek peace, not genocide, I can’t understand continued affiliation with him at any level. What’s happening to the Gazans is one of the great disgraces of this century.

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"We don't know what to do or where to go"

Displaced Palestinian in tears as her makeshift tent is destroyed by heavy rains, with winter arriving in Gaza amid Israel's ongoing war.

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drop-bear.bsky.social•89 days ago

Netanyahu accurately reflects Israeli society. This video is almost a decade old. Since then, the Zionist state has grown even more depraved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGO3eBxQX7Q&t=632s

bronncohowie.bsky.social•89 days ago

Pals population 3.2 million - Pals reportedly killed in war THEY started 40,000 - NOT a "genocide" ! What did they think was going to happen ?

whalewatch1.bsky.social•89 days ago

Who started it? 🤪

harkster57.bsky.social•88 days ago

As disturbing as this is and it truly is- I worry about a similar situation happening to us over the next 4 years

eddthegoat.bsky.social•89 days ago

I am certainly not my government but how do you isolate the government from the people? Iran has hated the US for years but I'm sure they don't hate me.

rjmrobin.bsky.social•89 days ago

Because a lot of Israelis hate their government for this entire hellscape the right-wing extremists have put everyone through.

But you want the whole country of Israel depopulated of Jews. There's a name for that.

drop-bear.bsky.social•89 days ago

For centuries, all creeds shared Palestine. Then the Zionists invaded.

The world in general, and Jews in particular, will be safer when the Zionist state is dismantled and Palestine reborn.

That doesn't mean that the Jews have to leave. They just need to be willing to live as equals.

jfsocial.bsky.social•89 days ago

War is not genocide. War is hell. It's horrible. But please learn the difference.

finafyr.bsky.social•88 days ago

He's their trump...

codemistress.bsky.social•89 days ago

And, it is disgraceful we never threw down an ultimatum and stuck to it.

paulinsc.bsky.social•89 days ago

Nothing new here.
Out of all the world's corrupt politicians, he may be the worst.
That's hard to do.

rjmrobin.bsky.social•89 days ago

Hard to oust him? Actually, he can be ousted. By the Israeli people. Ask some elderly Italians.

He should leave! He should be afraid to stay!

themajor59.bsky.social•88 days ago

Hamas attacked Israel, killing over a 1000 people, men, women & children. Somebody explain to me, how Israel should have responded to that? Harsh language?

danishbacon.bsky.social•89 days ago

They still support Hamas and the rockets send into Israel. This is not a kumbaya incentive way to go. I do not support what Israel do but i sure condemn what Palestine do.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

Who will Israel seek peace with Seth? You have someone in mind? Years ago Arafat backed out when he realized that he was going to get nearly everything he wanted. 2005 Israel left Gaza. You think Sinwar was a peacemaker? Oh yeah, can we get the fucking hostages back? What if we ask nicely?

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

And here we go... How many of my anti-Trump liberal go-to journalists fall into the Palestinians good / Israel bad. There are many of us anti-fascists who also see the threat of Islamofascism and the complete illegitimacy of the UN and the ICC in favor of despots.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

Gaza is a broken society that indoctrinates young children to become martyrs and child soldiers. That's unfortunately goddamn fact. Sinwar wanted high body counts for Western eyes. And when these Iranian proxies are done with Israel, the US is next.

reygo.bsky.social•89 days ago

No one will need to indoctrinate those little boys in that video. If they survive to adulthood, their hate for Israel will be engrained from growing up in this level of poverty, violence & desperation.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

I understand what you're saying, but I'm talking about how Palestinian kindergarteners role play violent martyrism. This is what cults do! And our dollars fund UNRWA to teach this in schools.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy2FsvOMCTO/

https://youtu.be/Sj14y-_-Mvg?si=vkZL8BIMLf7mlQHw
https://youtu.be/Sj14y-_-Mvg

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

If you want to blame someone, let it be Hamas, Hezbullah, and mostly Iran. War is HORRIBLE. But this is NOT a genocide. Not even remotely close and shame on you for not knowing the difference. The IDF cares more about those kids than Hamas does!!

whalewatch1.bsky.social•89 days ago

R you kidding? It’s Genocide.
No food, water, electricity, or medical care etc. Bibi forfeited the hostages to conduct a land grab, with the full support of the US. Real question is why? Military bases? Oil? It’s beyond inhumane.The shame lies with the IDF’s brainwashing that starts in pre-school!

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

It doesn't meet the criteria. Gazans invaded and started a multi front war with thousands of fighters. It should have considered the consequences. Israel is under no obligation to provide them with any of that. Other countries can, but Egypt closed their borders at the from the start.

whalewatch1.bsky.social•88 days ago

Nakba …

oldjavaguy.bsky.social•89 days ago

As horrible as Hamas is: Hamas has not killed 12000 Palestinian children, that was the IDF. Hamas has not made Tiktok videos playing with the toys of murdered children, and wearing the underwear of murdered women, that was the IDF. Hamas has not killed hundreds of journalists, that was the IDF.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

The camps of the ‘Liberation Vanguard’ - the name Hamas gives to its youngest members who train with the al-Qassam Brigades...

https://rietjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/EN_RIET_2022_N7_Child-soldiers-in-Palestinian-groups-forced-recruitment-and-use-of-minors-as-a-violation-of-International-Humanitarian-Law_daniel-perez-garcia_art2.pdf

oldjavaguy.bsky.social•89 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/oldjavaguy.bsky.social/post/3lbva3vrb5c2f

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

And while were talking about children, Israel does not promote child soldiers. However Hamas indoctrinates martyrdom from the age of preschool up. Plenty of under 18 year-olds with guns and launching rockets. These are considered combatants.

oldjavaguy.bsky.social•89 days ago

I don't know why you're throwing all of that anti-Hamas stuff at me. I have never endorsed them, nor will I. The idea that anybody who opposes genocide on Palestinians is a Hamas supporter is Propaganda 101, and y'all are falling for it.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

I oppose the use of the term genocide. Because it's just NOT. If Israel want to commit a complete ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza it would have done so in less than one week. That was never the intention. War has casualties, but calling it genocide is propaganda.

oldjavaguy.bsky.social•89 days ago

No, you just don't know what a genocide is. We hear the word and think of concentration camps and gas chambers. But the definition of genocide is much wider than that: https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

The reason I add all this evidence is that when you have child soldiers and promote martyrdom, you get a high child casualty rate. So forgive me for calling out blame solely on the IDF.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

Also, the amount of kids killed is tragic. But for Hamas that was their stated goal. Plenty of press on that. Maybe you missed it. Remember that Hamas' reporting of numbers is complete propaganda. Even the UN estimated that Hamas' numbers were completely wrong.

oldjavaguy.bsky.social•89 days ago

The opposite is true. UN says the numbers are probably too low, and even Israel has acknowledged the numbers (though they contest the composition of those numbers).
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-how-many-palestinians-has-israels-campaign-killed-2024-07-25/

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

Arguing whose numbers are right or wrong is a sad state of affairs. It's all terrible, but sadly this is what happens when a Jihadist death cult values the killing of Jews more than the sanctity of their own people's lives.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

This was in the press earlier this spring. https://www.cfr.org/blog/un-halves-its-estimate-women-and-children-killed-gaza

oldjavaguy.bsky.social•89 days ago

Your counter to a Reuters article from last month is a blog post from half a year ago? Wow.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

You're wrong on the facts. Hamas filmed what they did to taunt its victims. The murderers used Facebook live to contact family members while they were killing them. IDF has not killed hundreds of journalists. But there were Al Jazira "journalists" that participated in October 7th.

oldjavaguy.bsky.social•89 days ago

You really need to stop playing this "but Hamas" game. Hamas are terrorists, we all agree on that. If Israel had just killed them all, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But instead, they chose to terrorize civilians.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

Seen plenty of videos where IDF missions are called off to minimize civilian casualties. But I go back to my earlier points about child soldiers. And that "civilians" shouldn't be housing hostages either or hiding armaments.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

Chose to terrorize citizens? If Israel killed them all? Hamas doesn't conveniently just offer themselves up. They don't wear uniforms and they hide in schools, homes, and hospitals connected by 400+ miles of fortified tunnels. With over 2.5 million people in a dense urban area what do you expect?

oldjavaguy.bsky.social•89 days ago

So if a terrorist group hid in your neighborhood, you'd also be ok with the army bombing schools, hospitals, and entire apartment blocks? Or does that logic only apply when the civilians are muslim?

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

Seth, with all due respect the removal of Bibi isn't the solution. Israelis support this war of survival. Every fucking day for over a year rockets rain down into Israel. The only reason more aren't dead is 1) shelters and 2) Iron Dome.

daroob.bsky.social•89 days ago

It would be nice if the United States of America was on the right side of history.

deebeegee.bsky.social•89 days ago

Tell Hamas to release the hostages and cease firing at Israel. Hamas was not democratically elected; Netanyahu was.

itaiboublil.bsky.social•89 days ago

He's the worst fascist leader. The guy hijacked the country's democracy, and he is like a cancer you cannot get rid of.

votevaxresist.bsky.social•88 days ago

Agreed.
Netanyahu does not want to go to jail or be held accountable, so he will never stop this war.

exaspera.bsky.social•89 days ago

I am reminded by posts like this that my ‘problems’ are only First World, and that I am blessed in comparison.

I am also reminded that Bibi is a damned bully.

jeanlake.bsky.social•89 days ago

Trump, putin, orban, netanyahu, vance, musk, greedy oligarchs = same cloth.

batfink.bsky.social•89 days ago

Jared Kushner needs to build his waterfront condos....
IDF Slaughter force cant be stopped now

tomshebar.bsky.social•89 days ago

10/7

batfink.bsky.social•89 days ago

"10/7" does not justify Genocide

Hitler would be proud Netanyahu.
Gaza DEAD
710 babies below the age of one
1,793 toddlers (1-3 years old)
1,205 preschoolers (4-5 years old)
4,205 primary school children (6-12 years old)
3,442 high school children (13-17 years old)

tomshebar.bsky.social•89 days ago

10/7 certianly justifies fighting back. The remainder of you post is just yelling.

batfink.bsky.social•89 days ago

pretty sure the children were screaming and not yelling b4 the slaughter

tomshebar.bsky.social•89 days ago

The ones killed on 10/7?

bonkley.bsky.social•89 days ago

Right there with you. Netanyahu is Israel’s Trump.

eleagnus24.bsky.social•89 days ago

I so much agree with this Seth. It's not Israel. Just their current abhorrent government.

mgw417.bsky.social•89 days ago

You missed the real monster — HAMAS. It’s because of them what is happening to their people. Return the hostages and it’s over.

msamanda1.bsky.social•88 days ago

What is happening, and what has always happened. It’s not new, an important point that has been ignored since Israel’s inception.

momadridusa74.bsky.social•89 days ago

Can't believe that Biden and Kamala enabled a murderer. They could have stated a clear message like yours and it would have gotten to the hearts of those who were undecided about their intentions with Palestine!

pdw1969.bsky.social•89 days ago

I agree he's horribly aggressive and is spinning out of control, he's obsessed with killing all Palestinians evidently.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

Do you know that recently 90% of food aid that gets through is stolen by the Hamas remnants. If Bibi wanted to kill everyone it would have already happened. That's not what he wants. This is a brutal war, but not a genocide.

pdw1969.bsky.social•89 days ago

I know that, but Bibi's attitude isn't helping. It's a never-ending mess in the ME bc both sides are just too angry to talk sense to each other.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

I don't like Bibi, but I'm saying that HE alone is not the problem.
I urge you to listen to the Call Me Back podcast with Dan Senor to learn more about the internal thinking within Israel.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

One side actually offered peace after Oslo. Twice. But when Arafat and the PLO kicked them in the teeth, the Israeli peacenik politicians were never trusted again by the people. Who are you going to make peace with? The mullahs (Iran) call the shots.

pdw1969.bsky.social•89 days ago

Neither side wants to negotiate so nothing is done except WAR.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

Believe me when I tell you that Israel is sick of war. They just want to get back to work and be with their families. They continue to fight because it's an existential battle for survival. Every freakin day.

orwellsghost.bsky.social•89 days ago

Name the peace partner for Israel right now. There is no Sadat character in this right now.

ramrca.bsky.social•89 days ago

FAFO

rjmrobin.bsky.social•89 days ago

Do you hate all Americans, commenters? Because we've done the worst s**t in the history of the world!

Do you know how many Iraqi civilians we killed? But you're proud to be an American. In fact, you probably voted blue! I did. But see, I'm not like you. I'm a Jew. And all you need is a reason.

rjmrobin.bsky.social•89 days ago

Thank you. Maybe messages like this will cut down some of the anti-Jewish hatred all over the world.

I am an American and I am agnostic. My HERITAGE is Jewish but I practice no religion. But people hate me for my DNA and the culture of my people.

natalia-armyof1.bsky.social•89 days ago

I think it is pretty dangerous that some confuse antizionism with antisemitism.
As not all germans are NAZI
Not all US citizens are MAGA
Not all jewish people are ZIONIST
This is very dangerous. it is very important to differenciate ones from the others.

oldjavaguy.bsky.social•89 days ago

In fact, the vast majority of Zionists are not even Jewish. There are way more Christian Zionists, who are often deeply antisemitic themselves, than Jewish Zionists.

kellyperl.bsky.social•89 days ago

I agree what's happening to the Gazans is one of the great disgraces of this century.

However, that's on Hamas & the Arab world, & UNRWA.

Hamas for using hospitals, schools, &c for military purposes.

The Arab world for keeping their brothers refugees for 80 years.

UNRWA for hateful curriculum.

saganritual.bsky.social•89 days ago

Let’s not forget the horrors that have been caused by the actions of the US government throughout our history, such as toppling democratically elected governments and replacing them with US-friendly puppets. I could only wish the world would gang up on our so-called leaders on behalf of the people

g-ill.bsky.social•89 days ago

A fascist international criminal syndicate is taking over: Russia, Turkey, Hungary, Belarus,Israel, and the biggest prize of all- the USofA. Putin made good on his threat. Welcome to the new normal: global fascist gangsterocracy.

capitalist.bsky.social•89 days ago

civilian casualties have been low by historical urban warfare standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNYtG8iZ71E&t=1h46m10s

capitalist.bsky.social•89 days ago

nothing in Israel is even approaching genocide. it's called a war.

whalewatch1.bsky.social•89 days ago

It’s a war when both sides have weapons! Dropping 2-ton bombs on civilians is genocide! Seem any Hamas tanks tearing up the streets in Israel? How about Palestinians blocking aid trucks? The world knows it’s a land grab. Jared Kushner is waiting for first choice on waterfront condos.

abramelin963.bsky.social•89 days ago

Israel is a degenerate parasite country that needs to be cut off immediately. A failed experiment. And the result is that they have no fucking clue what the words "Never Again" mean. Because in their understanding of the English language, they take it to mean "Always." Nasty country.

tomshebar.bsky.social•89 days ago

You support genocide

abramelin963.bsky.social•89 days ago

I support the removal of the Israeli govt. Let's start there

tomshebar.bsky.social•89 days ago

I started at the start of your post. I said what i said.

abramelin963.bsky.social•89 days ago

You sure did. I'll mail you a gold star. Do you prefer the five point or six point style?

dtx-smu92.bsky.social•89 days ago

Agree Netanyahu is terrible. But Hamas terrorists have caused so much Palestinian grief by (1) taking hostages, (2) not releasing all hostages: 101 still in captivity, (3) using its citizens as human shields, (4) stealing humanitarian aid for themselves.
Where is the accountability for Hamas?

killiepie.bsky.social•88 days ago

How many civilians dead before you feel there has been accountability?

dtx-smu92.bsky.social•84 days ago

The question should be, “When will Hamas release the remaining 101 hostages?”

eastcobbdem.bsky.social•89 days ago

It is really horrible what has happened here in Gaza but once again I will say it Hamas is the one to blame not Israel.

vegemouse.bsky.social•89 days ago

Netanyahu is the mask off version of the Israeli government. Nobody in the Israeli government wants to end the apartheid or land theft.

shoebillstork24.bsky.social•89 days ago

Recently reading about "kibbutz"settlements: Israeli invasions of Palestinian West Bank and Gaza territories. They build "walls" (ha) to literally divide Palestinians and weaken their govt. All Israeli communes aka spies and military ops. Bibi killed 1500 Israelis/80K Gazans to get Trump reelected.

marketads2.bsky.social•89 days ago

Most democracies agree.

cymerax.bsky.social•89 days ago

The hardline Likud party is nothing more than an evil genocidal bunch of ultra-orthodox assholes, smh, their inhuman treatment of the Palestinian people goes back many decades! They will NEVER allow an independent Palestinian state to exist so as long as they're in power there will never be peace!

antonuaau.bsky.social•89 days ago

Hamas can stop it any second if they care about their people

princessofely.bsky.social•89 days ago

Amen

jojododo.bsky.social•88 days ago

Totally agree. A genocide financed by Biden and other leaders who should know better. Despicable.

adie80.bsky.social•89 days ago

Heartbreaking💔

baileyyeah.bsky.social•88 days ago

I'm surprised you haven't gotten banned yet! You antisemite how DARE you speak ill of Israel!

englishjen.bsky.social•89 days ago

agreee

frontrowseat.bsky.social•89 days ago

History will see us as nations of monsters who let this happen.

There should be a global general strike.

themajor59.bsky.social•88 days ago

You do realize that it is not our responsibility to end the Hamas/Israel conflict. It was not our country that was attacked by Hamas. The US killed tens of thousands of civilians when we bombed Nazi Germany in WWII, were we monsters then?

repairfairy.bsky.social•89 days ago

I have to say, I've been a bit surprised no one is doing anything to stop it.

keithchouinard.bsky.social•89 days ago

I’ve been amazed at the lack of more outrage in the USA over all this -though we did just elect a dictator.

gremlin22.bsky.social•89 days ago

Netanyahu is a monster. So very true.
What's happening in Gaza is very sad but it is the result of the war that the Gazan government started and refuses to end.
There is no genocide. If there was, the death toll was tenfold.

gio4491.bsky.social•89 days ago

“the great disgraces of this century.” . not the more the 6million dead in Congo, no the half million in Syria or Sudan or Yemen, no the 300 thousand in Iraq …..

givemeevidence.bsky.social•88 days ago

Have you considered letting the hostages go and removing Hamas from power? Just a suggestion.

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