Thanks. I became especially suspicious when I read her point in the interview about South Africa, where she completely omits that there was *a combined strategy* of nonviolent civil society and armed struggle and calls De Klerk a "reformist". Jesus
That’s good when possible but most of the time you’re dealing with people who care more about money than people and you can not appeal to their good nature.
It's not their good nature you're appealing to, but society's. Dictators need police, courts, armies, but they turn. Don't take my word for it, ask Slobodan Milošević.
I’m not gonna go through any of this paper full disclosure but the very first interview question removes a ton of context from SA anti-colonial efforts, which were not primarily nonviolent. The MK and ARM were central figures in the removal of apartheid.
It is also essential context to understand that the military stalemate and eventual defeat of the white ruling class was precipitated by the collapse of the Rhodesian state in the wake of a bloody civil war just a bit north. Decolonization of Africa was entirely armed struggle.
Wherever nonviolent movements have succeeded it has been as an alternative to more militant movements operating at the same time. This was as true of MLK’s SCLC vs various weather underground stuff as it was Ghandi’s INC vs the HSRA et al.
There are many examples in Africa of nonviolent movements gaining independence without a militant group operating in the same colony (Zambia, Tanzania come to mind). Although one could argue that in these cases other violent struggles influenced colonial power behaviour (Algeria, Mau Mau).
(Point being: I think the question of violence vs nonviolence is a badly posed one, starting from the problem of defining "violence". Organisation and multiplicity of militant tactis are the important aspects to study)
The state speaks to it's citizens through violence. The people are unheard, so they adopt the state's language. We tried non-violence and they did everything in their power to escalate it.
They preach pacifism with a gun to your head. Don't be a fool.
hey if you wrote for the daily show were you the guy to make the racist jokes or the guy to make the homophobic jokes or does your oeuvre somehow include things not embarrassing than the #1 sneering at others show
Things are bad, Dan. Maybe smug liberal dismissiveness in the face of righteously angry people should have gone away the first time democrats lost to a game show clown
So, no data on what "broad based change" looked like in the various situations, no analysis of whether "democratization" was successful in achieving the goals of any of the movements or whether said "democratization" was free of corruption. Sounds like someone started at a conclusion and worked back
Hate to break it to her, but while yes BDS had a large impact on bringing down apartheid, they also wrapped betrayers in tires and burned them alive ("necklacing")
Civil rights had MLK but also Malcolm X and the Black Panthers
But the other end is wrong as well, violence as a main course fails often
Also, MLK's non-violent protests did not succeed in gaining black people their rights. The widespread riots following his (definitely state sanctioned) assassination are what ultimately brought about that change. Nonviolence doesn't work. It just allows oppressors to step on your neck more easily.
Had to cut back, it was getting real long but exactly. Had a whole part about "approving the goal but not the method" but not everyone ready for that talk
She said Egypt too but they burned down the police for that
Vietnam with Kent State is another, Labor unions, not even getting to the biggest
Diversity of nonviolent or at least not intentionally violent actions will have the biggest impact, if organized well. I do think it's important to focus as much as possible there. But historically, I can't think of a time things changed for better when the oppressors knew there were no consequences
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For example there is a concentrated effort to catalog Gaza war demonstrators to blemish any “Good Moral Character” records when passing the attorney bar in California.
Like.. I personally think if we just lay on their train tracks and ask nicely for them not to roll over us, that this will be the path of success..
I think yes.. asking nicely on railroad tracks. They will do it this time.. for sure. ☠️
Violence in itself is incurred by an aggressive person toward a non-aggressive actor. Counterviolence is when that non-aggressive actor must resort to some level of physical defense to protect themselves and ensure their survivability.
The threat of violence must be ever present. The billionaires act with impunity, they have no fear or shame. Nothing to curb their world destroying greed. We need to fix that
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They preach pacifism with a gun to your head. Don't be a fool.
I understand the frustration, but you don't need to dismiss this person as being some sort of fool.
You'd do well to consider how the rights you enjoy were won.
what's posted above is a Q&A - which you could so so so easily know.
Civil rights had MLK but also Malcolm X and the Black Panthers
But the other end is wrong as well, violence as a main course fails often
She said Egypt too but they burned down the police for that
Vietnam with Kent State is another, Labor unions, not even getting to the biggest
If ye would dance the Mask, then mask the Dance. Exquisite must be the Art in this wise; and balance in the Centre be maintained, or else ye shall give unwonted Life to thine own creations. Tread carefully this path of Working, Mage. A tool, by Will devised, makes an ill master.
I think yes.. asking nicely on railroad tracks. They will do it this time.. for sure. ☠️
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Violence in itself is incurred by an aggressive person toward a non-aggressive actor. Counterviolence is when that non-aggressive actor must resort to some level of physical defense to protect themselves and ensure their survivability.
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