In your experience he hasn't been held liable for rape? He's not a convicted felon? He hasn't said racist things? He hasn't spoken often of his own underage daughters sexually? The thing is facts are facts regardless of "experience". He is those things - fact. People still voted for him - fact. - ThreadSky

allbluethings.bsky.social • 93 days ago

In your experience he hasn't been held liable for rape? He's not a convicted felon? He hasn't said racist things? He hasn't spoken often of his own underage daughters sexually? The thing is facts are facts regardless of "experience". He is those things - fact. People still voted for him - fact.

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mrfreerange.bsky.social•93 days ago

I'm not talking about Trump. I'm saying my experience with engaging with people who disagree with me, is obviously different than what you're having. This is nothing to do with some other personality other than yours or mine and the experiences we have interacting with other people.

allbluethings.bsky.social•92 days ago

"People entrench themselves in their beliefs, but there's always opportunities to at least engage in areas where we are congruent."

People entrenched in the belief that a rapist, racist, homophobic, pedophile should be president are not people I have any congruent beliefs with.

mrfreerange.bsky.social•92 days ago

I would just caution you not to throw everyone into the same basket who voted for one side or the other. I know plenty of Maga people who think everyone who voted for Harris is a horrible terrible person. You know that's not true and I know it's not true. Same going the opposite direction.My opinion

allbluethings.bsky.social•92 days ago

That's all well and good, but all of the people in one basket, no matter why they voted for a rapist, still voted for him. It may just be my opinion, but rape isn't something I can just set aside because I benefit somehow economically/politically from the rapist. One entire basket condoned rape.

mrfreerange.bsky.social•92 days ago

I choose to have a diversity of thought around me. I enjoy meeting people in real life who disagree with me, and to whom I can have a reasonable and respectful discussion of our differences. So I choose a different path. I wish you well on yours. Peace

allbluethings.bsky.social•92 days ago

Last thing I'll say is if the defense is "he wasn't found guilty of rape, just sexual assault" and that's the excuse given to voting him in, that's so gross. So rape is bad, but a little bit of sexual assault gets you the presidency? Again, irrational and unreasonable.

allbluethings.bsky.social•92 days ago

There are constructs I can work through on my own and I can sit and come up with excuses a rapist could give for rape. That doesn't mean I need to discuss any of it with the rapist directly or accept them into my circle. That doesn't bring me peace, it brings danger.

allbluethings.bsky.social•92 days ago

If your approach brings you joy, great, keep at it I truly love discussing differing opinions with others when base values are the same. I don't feel like discussing Trumper's mentalities, just like I don't feel like going to a rapist and asking why people should/shouldn't be allowed to rape.

mrfreerange.bsky.social•92 days ago

I simply disagree. They don't see him as being a rapist as you do. Therein is the problem. You believe the man is a rapist they do not. They believe Biden is very probably a pedophile, I'm sure you don't. They believe Hunter's laptop was purposely suppressed. I'm sure you do not

allbluethings.bsky.social•92 days ago

Except that it was proven in court that Trump did in fact rape somebody. He surrounds himself with rapists and has openly admitted to SA. So again, it proves that his voters can't look as facts and evidence, even from his own mouth, as objective, making them irrational and unreasonable.

allbluethings.bsky.social•92 days ago

I responded to you saying there are irrational and unreasonable people in every group. I said the group that voted for Trump is solely composed of those people and you said your experience differed. Yet anybody from a group that defends a rapist enough to elect him president can only be irrational.

mrfreerange.bsky.social•92 days ago

I think we've probably discussed this as far as we can take it. If you have that much of a need to be right, and have no inclination to see the other person's point of view and why they came to it, then go ahead and do that. I choose a different path. Peace! I must attend to my garden

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