Money is a representation of power built via labor (in theory) in moneyless societies there are still power structures that form and similar issues arise. Money isn't the problem, it's our willingness to give it to evil people. Stop using Amazon, stop buying Teslas, stop using Twitter, etc etc...
True and it’s time to eliminate money !
We are advanced enough to have an exchange system based on time.
That’s what we do we sell our time for money to exchange for what we want and need.
Why not eliminate the money and stick to just time !!
No more rich or poor, no more economic inequality.
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As you mob choose competition over Co-operation and your social structure is ossifying and when things ossify they break easily. It is ossifying as it is fixed and rigid.
Not a work in progress as Society should be which is flexible and remains in its youthful years.
Well said! Money is an addiction, much like drugs, tobacco, alcohol.
We can see the depths addicts go to, when looking for the next fix. Wait till you see the depths billionaires will go to...
Every once in while a ponder this stuff. I have to understand what is money. If we know what it is, then it's unintended consequences and flow are critical in coming up with solutions. Oh well, I don't want to go insane in the membrane. I'll go to organizing my garage.
When we don't say no to rich people, their mental illnesses take over and it's like when you have that one toxic person in a family who drains all the life out of everyone else. Limiting the amount of money a person can have is setting healthy boundaries for our society.
I read something a long time ago that said - Every coin made incurs debt, because it costs money to make money. So we can never get rid of the national debt while we are using money to trade with. So if our currency was something that was available for free, that might help. But I am not an expert.
I TRY to make the robots fit the message and somtimes it fits better than others. In this instance, there IS a mega wealthy guy trying to extract natural resources from an island, damn the consequence, but it was admittedly tenuous.
We don't have to give them all our money. We can leave big banks for credit unions, for example. We abandoned Twitter/X for Bluesky. Let's keep doing that kind of behavior for other destructive institutions, as much as we can.
Has anyone here read The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene? I tried, to gain understanding of this awful subject, but it literally made me sick. Opinions on it please.
at some point theres a point of no return though. Either it becomes too important or a monopoly. or just... their operations dont cost too much to ruin things for other people or people stay willfully ignorant in protest
John Maynard Keynes: “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.”
You say that, but I am pretty sure the majority poor people in say Alabama, Kentucky, South Carolina and elsewhere think that these billionaires are really looking out for their best interest.
reason the Trump squad is so enamored with the 1890s & early 1900s
One statistic cited by the Gilded Age documentary is that, by the time of that 1897 ball, the richest 4,000 families in the U.S. (representing less than 1% of the population) had about as much wealth as other 11.6 million families
Line must go up. Line must always go up. If line isn't going up, do whatever it takes to make it go up, even things that will eventually make it go down, as long as it's going up now. And when it does inevitably go down, god help the little folks, 'cause the line sure the hell isn't.
🤷♂️ Pretty much it 🤷♂️ When you have a society based on money societies are going to fall. Remember when we used to care about people? Yeah me neither 🤷♂️
This concept doesn't work in the long run. When majority of US are in poverty we will not be able to buy the stuff they are selling and then no one wins.
Plenty of people with money do not concede to this. There are many sides, not just two. If you fail to see the entire picture, and all you have is one piece of the puzzle, then all you will ever have is, a jacked up, half picture, & nothing solved.
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."
Buckminster Fuller
It's never been a secret; it's always been this way: the rich spend their entire lives accruing wealth, and then, when being rich loses its luster, they begin to covet something more—power.
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance.
Is it fulfilling to be rich? Idk, but I’d geuss not because fulfillment is an internal struggle.
Money corrupts, but how can they (the rich) see this when capitalism teaches that wages are meritocratic, AKA “you earn what you get”.
This is the human condition. Please remember that these rules do not change in the world of utopian equity.
That is why us deplorable MAGA flyover idiots resist progressive government. Some are more equal than others. Everyone will always want more. Even you.
that's just simply not true. That's what the current rich people want you to think, to make you complacent with them. But - if you literally look into history, humans - (up until the rise of private property) have always prioritized the collective over individual wealth. Google "Primitive Communism"
So, where are these centrally planned countries where the government lives on meager means and ‘the people’ thrive. It all looks good on paper and, agreed, the intentions are good. But, there’s a pesky reality thing.
Look up the example of upper volta. only lasted 4 years until a france-led coup that toppled the government, but 4 years were more than enough to lift the government out of starvation and poverty, which quickly resurfaced after the economy was re privatized and pawned off to french corps.
this is just one of many examples, for another example, look up cuba right now, you might be convinced that its a hell hole cuz that's all you hear about in american media, but if you - actually look up any self-respecting paper or research or analysis. Its objectively more democratic than the US
It also might be human nature to want to punch someone in the face just because they're annoying. Most people won't do it though, and we certainly shouldn't structure our entire society to reward those who do the most punching. So why reward the greedy even if it's our nature to be greedy?
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No society has ever acted on the knowledge that the quality of its replacements is THE most important function of their society
Hence the Tytler cycle keeps happening
The human genome is double-bladed, both good and evil are in there, UNLESS we take care to raise fully-enabled young adults
It’s not always about money. Sometimes it’s about radical posterity. Sometimes it’s about an abundance of good causes to manipulate for power (not necessarily money). Sometimes hate is so visceral that people are reduced to Capital. Sometimes it’s about ease of access and personal innovation
the general premise is correct, but the "money" is fluid. It's really about resources. Whatever resource a country, a county, a city, a town, an island, etc., has is what humans fight over to consume and control, and once they have control, they seek to control everything.
First rule of life: people are stupid and believe in oversimplification (good guys and bad guys, etc.)
Second rule of life: anyone who ignores it is trying to sell you something, be it an idea or product.
Third rule of life: don't buy those ideas.
That's more of a "general status quo for human beings for the last few centuries" thing, if you want an explanation for this exact moment of corruption and misinformation, it's explained in great detail here - https://www.levernews.com/masterplan/
The sad part of it all is that “ we” consumers fill their pockets daily, yet we rail against them. We are their biggest supporters monetarily. Sad, viscous cycle!!
I’ve long said that if money is important to people they’ll never have enough. Someone always has more. If it’s not important, they don’t need that much to be happy. Need some but not a lot.
Thom Hartman once said that if this is hoarding behaviour- when it's newspapers and magazines in an apartment there is an interfvention.
When its money it is too often admired
Recall Vonegut and Heller at party of a rich man and the remark they would have something that rich man never would
Enough
The middle class and poor should team up and fight the common enemy, billionaires and their supporters, Republicans.
We middle class and poor have to stop being divided by billionaires, that is what they want, to fight among our selves, not with them.
What? You give the billionaires your own money. Ever shop at Walmart, Amazon, or watch something on YouTube? The owners of Blue Sky will be billionaires eventually if growth continues like this. Fighting a war to take away billionaires 'money' doesn't make sense.
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We are advanced enough to have an exchange system based on time.
That’s what we do we sell our time for money to exchange for what we want and need.
Why not eliminate the money and stick to just time !!
No more rich or poor, no more economic inequality.
One has culture.
Circa 1988, it’s that much worse now.
As you mob choose competition over Co-operation and your social structure is ossifying and when things ossify they break easily. It is ossifying as it is fixed and rigid.
Not a work in progress as Society should be which is flexible and remains in its youthful years.
Capitalism is the opposite of democracy. One is all for me & the other all for one.
Everyone’s A Slave
We can see the depths addicts go to, when looking for the next fix. Wait till you see the depths billionaires will go to...
But do you know why money works THAT way instead of some other way?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQRKGPCZ
http://firstmakeitwork.org/2023/09/16/making-money-real/
Paying the owning class for its ownership is a toxin in the body politic.
We gave away our country by voting for the deep state. They are gonna strip US and sell US for scrap. It's unfathomably stupid.
I’d be grateful for your FB Cheri. 🙏🏽
One statistic cited by the Gilded Age documentary is that, by the time of that 1897 ball, the richest 4,000 families in the U.S. (representing less than 1% of the population) had about as much wealth as other 11.6 million families
Another, even wiser man said; "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions."
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."
Buckminster Fuller
https://www.modelingforchange.com
"Fun" fact: there are only around half a million homeless people.
We don't HAVE to be this way.
Is it fulfilling to be rich? Idk, but I’d geuss not because fulfillment is an internal struggle.
Money corrupts, but how can they (the rich) see this when capitalism teaches that wages are meritocratic, AKA “you earn what you get”.
That is why us deplorable MAGA flyover idiots resist progressive government. Some are more equal than others. Everyone will always want more. Even you.
No society has ever acted on the knowledge that the quality of its replacements is THE most important function of their society
Hence the Tytler cycle keeps happening
The human genome is double-bladed, both good and evil are in there, UNLESS we take care to raise fully-enabled young adults
Second rule of life: anyone who ignores it is trying to sell you something, be it an idea or product.
Third rule of life: don't buy those ideas.
Spend wisely!
When its money it is too often admired
Recall Vonegut and Heller at party of a rich man and the remark they would have something that rich man never would
Enough
https://youtu.be/nyWbun_PbTc?si=WoEp0ezMNCsOMM_o
We middle class and poor have to stop being divided by billionaires, that is what they want, to fight among our selves, not with them.
The whole system needs changing.