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mbolotnikova.bsky.social • 69 days ago

It needed to be said (and I'm hardly the first person to say any of this!!!)

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/391795/ultra-processed-foods-science-vegan-meat-rfk-maha

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tighcosi.bsky.social•69 days ago

Two well made points here: 1. The nonsense of branding everything that isn’t freshly plucked from the ground as ‘ultra-processed’ and bad. 2. The danger of those claiming to have read the studies, coming to wild, conspiratorial conclusions and being given equal weight to genuine experts

alejandrosoberano.bsky.social•69 days ago

Article starts by "The narrative is totally fake" and ends by "cannot withdraw conclusions".

There are probably lobbies behind these articles, no doubt. But meat alternatives, as any other highly processed food contains additives that are proven to be worse than non added products.

jomeo.bsky.social•69 days ago

No they don’t. That’s simply not true. What is the additive in faux-meat that is bad? Why is it bad?

alejandrosoberano.bsky.social•68 days ago

And, for you to know. I have no problem with plant-based diets or faux-meat (as you hypocritically name them). Everybody is free to decide their diet.

Oppositely, I hate integrist journalism. This is the article, the storyline is totally different.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/254034/plant-based-upfs-linked-with-higher-risk/

jomeo.bsky.social•68 days ago

I’m feel like we are cirickinf back around to the “learn to read thing”. This is the article referenced that mis-represented the findings.

The study itself is quite bad - anything “plant based” is “mostly plants” that’s junk food! Little Debbie cakes, candy etc.

jomeo.bsky.social•68 days ago

There is simply no world in which this table represents the common definition of plant based.

alejandrosoberano.bsky.social•68 days ago

Despite being plant-based, these foods can contribute to risk factors such as dyslipidaemia and hypertension due to their composition and processing methods. Food additives and industrial contaminants present in these foods can cause oxidative stress and inflammation, further aggravating the risks

jomeo.bsky.social•68 days ago

Citation desperately, desperately needed lmao

alejandrosoberano.bsky.social•68 days ago

It's a citation...

jomeo.bsky.social•68 days ago

No, it’s a link to an article that summarizes the same poor study that categorizes little Debbie cakes, candy bars, all frozen pizza, and white bread (just to name a few!) as “plant based”

In the vox article above, the authors even admitted they couldn’t draw conclusions about plant based meat.

jomeo.bsky.social•69 days ago

Also, I would encourage you to learn to read - the “narrative is fake” was specifically in regards to a (shoddy) nutritional study that was WILDLY mis-represented.

alejandrosoberano.bsky.social•68 days ago

"Learn to read". Many thanks for your kindness.

deandrejamal.bsky.social•69 days ago

This disgusting frankenmeat is the worst thing you can put in your body. Anything "green" is a marketing tool for billionaires to profit off the gullibility of Leftists who believe everything they hear the MSNBC Madcow spew.

mr-creosote.bsky.social•68 days ago

someone get the net, there's a dickhead escaped from twitter

stevecooke.org•69 days ago

It’s always a toss-up whether scare stories about ultra-processed plant-based meat substitutes are pseudo-scientific-woo from food grifters with fictional nutrition qualifications, or cynical propaganda by the meat industry.

scottedgar.bsky.social•68 days ago

When you're vegan-ish, you see through the whole "processed food" thing with perfect clarity.

tamarosk.bsky.social•69 days ago

I had no idea the conclusion about vegan meat alternatives in that WaPo article was based on such flimsy evidence. Personally, when I buy packaged foods, I check the ingredients for additives (stabilizers, artificial flavors...) added sugar, simple carbs, sodium. Expensive and time-consuming though.

vegancj.bsky.social•69 days ago

Til I read: "There was just one problem: The narrative was totally fake" 😁

cowchaser24.bsky.social•69 days ago

That’s ok. I am pretty sure I know what is and what is not good for me.

butlerofdogs.bsky.social•68 days ago

Thank you! UPFs should probably be classified based on caloric density, and density of carbs, fats, and salt rather than processing.

lneumannca.bsky.social•68 days ago

📌

david.olivier.name•68 days ago

Excellent!

tedgreiner.bsky.social•55 days ago

There are several degrees of processing in the NOVA categorization. It's the ultra-processed that are proving dangerous. There's a growing body of evidence that says so. Here's a randomized control trial: https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(19)30248-7?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS1550413119302487%3Fshowall%3Dtrue&fbclid=IwAR21JnpR1tUbcOm1jAs0d2yR-KtPWLFx7TiZol6CrdsXABb3GXZazeufqyk

mr-creosote.bsky.social•68 days ago

I don't think it's a coincidence that sales of meat and dairy substitutes have plummeted as media hysteria about UPFs has grown.
It's impossible for these substitutes to avoid being UPFs. They're dependent on a protein extraction process that can't be replicated in a kitchen.....

mr-creosote.bsky.social•68 days ago

..... and by definition they mimic the taste and texture of another type of food. So even if a meat substitute was invented that was perfectly healthy in every way, low in fat, salt and sugar, it would still unavoidably be a UPF, and damned by association. It's a nonsensical way to categorise food.

timsmedley.bsky.social•69 days ago

📌

robertelliott.bsky.social•69 days ago

"I probably wouldn’t have chosen that specific photo to illustrate the findings..." 🤦‍♂️

suburbanchicken.bsky.social•69 days ago

The devil is in the details. Helps to read cryically.

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