Related to this is the idea that if someone only cares about consent in inter-species contact for pleasure, but ignores consent when such contact occurs thousands of times per second worldwide to produce meat and other animal products, then either they are naive or a scumbag and a hypocrite. - ThreadSky

aqua.zoo.wtf • 250 days ago

Related to this is the idea that if someone only cares about consent in inter-species contact for pleasure, but ignores consent when such contact occurs thousands of times per second worldwide to produce meat and other animal products, then either they are naive or a scumbag and a hypocrite.

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aqua.zoo.wtf•250 days ago

Just as annoying to me personally, are all the excellent texts and training methods and discussions which are consent based, but are either silent or hostile to extending that discussion to include sexual expression, and fall back on distract/discourage/ignore... or worse

aqua.zoo.wtf•250 days ago

Then came the episode with @tabooscience.bsky.social, which was more friendly and casual and fair to us than we dared hope to get from anyone on the outside. Consent came up immediately, and because we don't talk about it on our own show, it was very hard to articulate. We don't have much practice.

aqua.zoo.wtf•250 days ago

This is why I said, "we're kinda done with it." Among ourselves we absolutely are done with it. The rest of the world isn't. An "ideal zoo" could be totally consistent in their application of consent principles from dawn until dusk, and there's no way to demonstrate that to anybody.

aqua.zoo.wtf•250 days ago

That means we're back to talking about it, or writing about it, or both. Which is better: a kind of living document that is updated, revised, and as thorough as possible, or an episode that breaks ZTT's founding concepts, and somehow written so that it is still for zoos, by zoos?

aqua.zoo.wtf•250 days ago

I don't know the answer, and it's not really my decision. What I do know is that Taboo Science is just the beginning, there's at least one more major project on the horizon which will absolutely feature consent issues, and we're all skipping leg day on purpose.

aqua.zoo.wtf•250 days ago

We're paying for it, too. Even community standards of conduct are weaker and more difficult to uphold, nevermind champion, if we all agree consent is important and nod our heads in solumn agreement without checking ourselves from time to time.

Lookin' at you, 3-letter rearguard and your imitators.

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