Then came the episode with @tabooscience.bsky.social, which was more friendly and casual and fair to us than we dared hope to get from anyone on the outside. Consent came up immediately, and because we don't talk about it on our own show, it was very hard to articulate. We don't have much practice. - ThreadSky

aqua.zoo.wtf • 250 days ago

Then came the episode with @tabooscience.bsky.social, which was more friendly and casual and fair to us than we dared hope to get from anyone on the outside. Consent came up immediately, and because we don't talk about it on our own show, it was very hard to articulate. We don't have much practice.

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aqua.zoo.wtf•250 days ago

This is why I said, "we're kinda done with it." Among ourselves we absolutely are done with it. The rest of the world isn't. An "ideal zoo" could be totally consistent in their application of consent principles from dawn until dusk, and there's no way to demonstrate that to anybody.

aqua.zoo.wtf•250 days ago

That means we're back to talking about it, or writing about it, or both. Which is better: a kind of living document that is updated, revised, and as thorough as possible, or an episode that breaks ZTT's founding concepts, and somehow written so that it is still for zoos, by zoos?

aqua.zoo.wtf•250 days ago

I don't know the answer, and it's not really my decision. What I do know is that Taboo Science is just the beginning, there's at least one more major project on the horizon which will absolutely feature consent issues, and we're all skipping leg day on purpose.

aqua.zoo.wtf•250 days ago

We're paying for it, too. Even community standards of conduct are weaker and more difficult to uphold, nevermind champion, if we all agree consent is important and nod our heads in solumn agreement without checking ourselves from time to time.

Lookin' at you, 3-letter rearguard and your imitators.

fillthymutt.bsky.social•244 days ago

Consent has become far less daunting a topic for me, with all my experience debating people, online. Yes, it's often circular, but I've been at a point for a while where I feel I've heard every argument I am going to hear, and I still haven't heard something that I don't have an answer for.

fillthymutt.bsky.social•244 days ago

The majority of the time, I feel it boils down to one simple thing, and that is the person making claims has never actually considered the ramifications of those claims, should they be true. There's enough precedence in what society 'accepts', to accurately define "consent" - and it applies to us.

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