This is playing into the hands of Trump. They are looking for any reason to declare martial law. If we are going to defeat them we need large, non-violent protests.
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Nothing. My suggestion was merely that the left needs to remember how effective the civil rights movement was with non-violence. When Trump goes low we need to go high.
What does that mean for this post, though? What do you want these protestors to be doing differently? Civil rights era protests also impacted transportation and were designed to slow the efforts of state forces doing harm.
At this point they are doing what they are doing and good on them. I was merely musing about the short term effects and long term goals. I’m just a dad who has already seen his daughter’s right to reproductive choices taken away from her and worries about what this country has become.
What? No. My point is that violence is the reason for the success of most revolutions. Evil forces don't just give up their power because of signs and votes.
Firstly, this started non-violently. Secondly, we’ve tried that and *checks notes* more than 4 months in nothing has changed. Finally, if a government has intent to declare martial law, no amount of compliance will stop them from doing so.
I don’t disagree. My point was the anti-Trump movement needs to remember the lessons of the civil rights movement. It will be harder to demonize the movement if the protesters are smart about how they go about the protests. However, there is a lot of emotion built up. I get it.
“We” -you’re an online armchair activist. There is no “we.” The people in the streets actually blocking, delaying, and increasing the cost of these gestapo operations are the actual response. The only question is how to make them even more effective at what they are doing, not to do less.
Perhaps. I was incorrect in using ‘we’. However, to assume my level of involvement based on a post seems reductive on your part. Shame since we both want the same end result I’m guessing. Guess even “our” side can’t help but subdivide and yell at each other.
How is it reductive when you just admitted it’s true? I’m not being reductive you just have massive tell. Actual allies do not react to direct action with panic and calls for civility. Genuinely historically literate allies dispel myths of passive dissidence and support active resistance.
The truth is that you don’t understand we actually *aren’t* on the same side. You are actively playing the part of a counterinsurgent that squashes morale, inspires uncertainty, and solidifies the authority of the state. The *correct* response to martial law is disobedience and sabotage.
“Do not comply in advance” or “you are playing into the hands of Trump” which is it? Yes he wants to declare martial law get the fuck over it. You are already in the shit. Are you going to let them further terrorize people and solidify their power or will you join others and start resisting?
Here’s a tip: if you want to aid revolution, you have to come in with clear and coherent criticisms followed by useful and applicable solutions. You are responding with panic, brow beating, and invoking people you only have a nebulous, nostalgic, and false impression of.
I don’t think it was panic or brow beating. As for invoking nostalgia it was more of invoking a reminder that peaceful protests worked in the past. I apologize for my post. I forgot the internet is not the place to have an opinion. I’ll save it for when I got to my local resist Trump meeting.
You don’t know anything about the civil rights movement if you think it’s “peaceful” protest that got things done. There was both nonviolent and violent protest, and neither of it was “peaceful.” What you’re seeing is nonviolent protest.
Really? Asking not to play onto their hands and give them a reason to be even worse? Or is it just too easy to hurl expletives? Shouldn’t our side be better and smarter? Didn’t Michelle Obama say when they go low we should take the high road? Do you feel that time is past?
These are chaotic, but not particularly violent. Yet. But stopping a bus — or a bulldozer or a tank — has actually been a long term tactic for non-violent resistance. So, what are you talking about? Trump wants us dead. This isn’t giving them any more pretext than they already have.
Non-violent groups were backed by the very real threat of violent retribution if demand were not met. Both are legitimate and necessary against a fascist police state.
I don’t disagree. I just want it to be a coordinated thoughtful response designed to take the initiative away from the right. The left leadership has failed in their response and maybe it will be the people on the ground that will take the lead. I hope so.
It was always going to have to be the people. What's strange is they still have utilised their big advantage, the numbers. As I have said all along, occupy the streets in numbers so large that the regime is powerless.
I hope you are right. And I hope we don’t get too many killed on either side because we have allowed the ultra-rich and the ultra-rightwing to take over this country. But maybe the blood of patriots is the ultimate cost of Democracy and we are getting ready to relearn that lesson.
Most of the dictators in Eastern Europe were toppled by people power.
The Berlin Wall fell because the people said enough is enough.
None of those govts were known for being benign dictatorships but the people rose up anyway, despite the immense risk.
Now Americans need to do the same.
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the race riots didn’t happen?
How's that "take the high road" plan working out so far?
>no not like that!!!!!!!!
The Berlin Wall fell because the people said enough is enough.
None of those govts were known for being benign dictatorships but the people rose up anyway, despite the immense risk.
Now Americans need to do the same.