this too and i would go further and say it actually did reflect a value judgement. biden thought sending a million Ukrainians into a meat grinder was marginally less risky for American interests (he was afraid of escalation) bsky.app/profile/oneo... - ThreadSky

tiredgenerally.bsky.social • 1 day ago

this too and i would go further and say it actually did reflect a value judgement. biden thought sending a million Ukrainians into a meat grinder was marginally less risky for American interests (he was afraid of escalation)
https://bsky.app/profile/oneoneder.bsky.social/post/3liq5kipcjs26

Reposted from Sara Straw

Also, Biden indefensibly slow-walked aid for Ukraine rather than offend Russia. ... but that was a bad judgment call, not a bad fundamental values call.

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idontknowmanmaybe.bsky.social•18 hours ago

Very obvious that the Biden administration wasn't at all interested in pursuing the best outcome for Ukraine, and simply trying to bleed Russia as much as possible, ensuring a terrible outcome for Ukraine.

waxmonkey.bsky.social•1 day ago

usually i hear framing like this from the russians

tiredgenerally.bsky.social•1 day ago

oh and the slow walking of Trump admin prosecutions too

merovingians.bsky.social•1 day ago

just refusing to push Garland/DOJ with the republic on the line, and then running for re-elect with that polling

max.is.a.cutie.fyi•1 day ago

a voting base asking a president (biden/trump/sanders/newsome/pritzker/aoc) to put their thumb on the scale to replace a supposedly (ideally) independent ag midway through, wouldn't that by itself reflect a form of "value not shared" type of deal, curbing that independence?

mesopholese.bsky.social•1 day ago

If the AG is failing their constitutional duty to protect the republic, letting the republic die for the sake of the “independence” of the AG is not going to solve anything. Dereliction of duty is a perfectly reasonable reason to fire the AG.

max.is.a.cutie.fyi•1 day ago

who gets to decide how fast any ag gets to run their department? beyond the disinformation networks (foreign and domestic) still spreading mdm on that issue, when people look at what kind of documents were filed on time vs what kind of obstruction were put in front, should an ag be an activist?

mesopholese.bsky.social•1 day ago

(i hope you know, i can often state things pretty strongly, but i hold no ill will towards you or anything, it’s just how I wrote, lol.)

mesopholese.bsky.social•1 day ago

Garland failed, unequivocally, to protect the republic from the largest insurrection since the civil war. If *not* failing that duty meant he would’ve had to have been an “activist,” yes, he should have been an activist.

girlpython.bsky.social•1 day ago

to say nothing about how his rabid support of israeli war crimes eroded any sort of trust in the legitimacy of the west to uphold a rules based order and by extension support for ukraine

thudnblunder.bsky.social•1 day ago

I’ll also argue that if Biden hadn’t done this, Harris would be President today.

So he directly harmed America too. Trump is in office because Biden was awful.

mzrad.bsky.social•1 day ago

It was bananas to watch Mr. Empathy™️ Joe Biden aggressively support the Israeli government in their collective war on Palestinian children for a solid year in the run up to Election Day. Israel sure got their money’s worth with buying Biden’s soul for a cool $11million via AIPAC. Disgusting.

annakeesey.bsky.social•1 day ago

Was that it? 11 million? That at least makes some corrupt sense. I could not understand his position.

mzrad.bsky.social•1 day ago

annakeesey.bsky.social•1 day ago

What’s the time frame, do you know? I mean, 11m for the 2024 campaign or?

mpdeejay.bsky.social•17 hours ago

Totally. His refusal to reconsider support when it was clearly a cause of strife makes all his "We must do anything to defeat Donald Trump" ring hollow.

checkwithscience.com•1 day ago

we have no reason to believe this would have moved any state other than, perhaps, Michigan, unfortunately

janette.bsky.social•1 day ago

I live in Pa. I’ve voted in every Presidential election since I turned 18. I left the Democratic Party and voted 3rd party for the first time in 2024, and it’s because I’m staunchly against the genocide in Palestine.

everydog.bsky.social•1 day ago

And his own shadow honestly. Terrified of everybody except Trump.

erichluepke.bsky.social•1 day ago

Did he slow-walk? I thought it was more of a send-what-they-can-use-right-now kind of thing.

karnulon.bsky.social•1 day ago

At one point in 2022 the polish got so fed up at Sullivan monkeying with a working group to transfer soviet bloc aircraft they disassembled ten MiG-29s and left them on the border in the forest while yelling loudly that they had misplaced some fighter and wouldn't it be a shame if someone found them

karnulon.bsky.social•1 day ago

Until the Russians opened a second front in 2024 American supplied artillery was forbidden from being used for counter battery fire across the border

karnulon.bsky.social•1 day ago

Then short range rockets were allowed but nothing that could hit the airfields servicing the tactical bombers

This prohibition was extended to weapons the US didn't even fucking supply (scalp/storm shadow)

karnulon.bsky.social•1 day ago

When the Ukrainians got cheeky with their one mobile patriot unit and parked it on the bryansk border and shot down a bunch of bombers over the border the US and Germany called up zelensky to whine about it and said don't fucking do it again

karnulon.bsky.social•1 day ago

I got more don't worry

erichluepke.bsky.social•1 day ago

Okay yeah that's some bullshit. I see your point.

karnulon.bsky.social•1 day ago

Blinken visited kyiv in early summer after the kharkiv front opened and went back shaken and pled to Biden and Sullivan and they triumphantly declared after weeks of farting around that GMLRS could be used but only against regions where Russians were directly staging equipment

pluralprophet.bsky.social•1 day ago

Not just less risky for Americans. Less risky for the world.

hrimhari.bsky.social•1 day ago

Yeah, he wanted to send them enough to hold but not enough for reclaim the territory taken in 2014

azery.bsky.social•1 day ago

"Don't rock the boat too much" seems to have been burned into their brains after the Afghanistan withdrawal blew up

azery.bsky.social•1 day ago

i think the actual biggest crime in Sullivan/Biden's handling of Ukraine there was preventing other states from sending more support when they wanted to.

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