Another study adding to the evidence from Talinn, 60+ in London and elsewhere: you can make Public Transport good and cheap (even free) and it has little impact on car use. You have to actively restrict driving by making it less convenient and more expensive if you want mode shift. - ThreadSky

coldwarcliff.bsky.social • 69 days ago

Another study adding to the evidence from Talinn, 60+ in London and elsewhere:

you can make Public Transport good and cheap (even free) and it has little impact on car use.

You have to actively restrict driving by making it less convenient and more expensive if you want mode shift.

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coldwarcliff.bsky.social•69 days ago

And whenever studies like this emerge people respond in complete denial. The last response is the honest one for most people.

It’s not about providing better options. Have to make it much more difficult to drive.

coldwarcliff.bsky.social•69 days ago

The study highlights convenience - journey time: unless there is significant congestion public transport (and most particularly buses) will always be slower than private car as it’s not door to door and must stop for passenger pickup/drop off.

coldwarcliff.bsky.social•69 days ago

Ranking of interventions by effectiveness

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213624X22000281

owlernook.bsky.social•69 days ago

Given induced demand, private motor vehicle use will inevitably make itself less attractive than public transport, but only if public transport is high-frequency and not stuck in general traffic.

simon.insanity.tube•69 days ago

Something Anne Hidalgo has been doing in Paris. And all power to her elbow!

velozebra.bsky.social•69 days ago

I wonder about the flip side: measures to restrict car use without at the same time increasing investments in active transportation won’t have as much desired effect.

coldwarcliff.bsky.social•69 days ago

All restrictions on car use have positive effects for active travel. LTNs create quite back street options. Quieter main roads (road pricing) are more comfortable to ride on and easier to cross. What were you thinking of?

coldwarcliff.bsky.social•68 days ago

See https://bsky.app/profile/coldwarcliff.bsky.social/post/3ljnun5ns4c2h

urbantraffic.bsky.social•68 days ago

Making car use more costly or using less of tax payers money to subsidize urban car use? These are two different approaches to urban traffic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Cost_of_Free_Parking

quinlet.bsky.social•69 days ago

You don't have to make driving more difficult actively, just reduce the priority that cars are given and eliminate the subsidies to driving. That means allocating more road space to bus priority and active travel; charging properly for parking and eliminating the subsidies to residents' parking.

coldwarcliff.bsky.social•69 days ago

That is the same thing - increase cost (parking/road charging), reduce convenience (prioritise other modes through reallocation of space, LTNs)

If you do this and it doesn’t impact car trip times (eg alternate routes with spare capacity) don’t get evaporation (as cairns study found)

coldwarcliff.bsky.social•69 days ago

Which is why all projects that compromise to avoid inconvenience to drivers are wasting their time - unless there is pain for existing driven trips they will fail.

quinlet.bsky.social•69 days ago

I agree with you, but it’s how best to sell it. Being bad to drivers for the sake of it comes over badly. But drivers having to accept some inconvenience to benefit other road users is better.

quinlet.bsky.social•69 days ago

It's about presentation. You don't need to declare war on motorists, just treat every road user fairly.

coldwarcliff.bsky.social•69 days ago

I’ll respectfully disagree. This studies shows that good free PT isn’t enough. Build great cycleways (Stevenage) without car restraint and majority of trips will be driven. Yes, an increase in cycling but spare toad capacity will induce demand for car

turini2.bsky.social•68 days ago

In my opinion, the only exceptions are - free travel for kids (get them used to riding the train/bus!) or when an transit agency is spending more on enforcement than they are on fares (such as some agencies in the US) …

coldwarcliff.bsky.social•68 days ago

While I instinctively agree there is evidence from London that free bus travel for children results in them being used to riding the bus for very short trips and NOT getting a habit of walking/cycling for trips they could. So negative public health outcomes - even this measure has downsides.

turini2.bsky.social•68 days ago

For sure - I remember I’d walk to the station and my little brothers would take the bus for two stops…

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