I don't engage with any trolls. I mute and then I block. Feels great. Most of those clowns , don't even realize that they voted against their own interests.
I agree, my first response to right wing opinion is not to dismiss it or block them unless they are unreasonable and are here only to own the libs as they like to say. I admire Kinzinger.
There are. I live in a town with more registered Rs than Ds. We have a few MAGA but most can't stand the Felon either. And it looks like Harris won hands down around here.
Getting much harder to find. I used to have interesting conversations with conservatives. There are very few conservatives anymore, we have entered MAGA world.
Adam willingly aligned himself with a party that spent half a century defunding education, tearing down the wall between church and state, ignoring gun violence and racism. He is responsible for our current situation. Don’t forget that.
I like to think we can give each other the grace to change our minds when info changes or becomes more clear to us. Pragmatically, we need the largest possible coalition to win elections.
Just posted this from Joyce White Vance’s newsletter today:
“Some believe it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love.”
The old GOP has been obliterated by MAGA. I want to see them understand that you can't continue to pick and choose what parts of the constitution and which amendments you uphold. That's where I think conversation can happen.
I don't think hope lies with the left trying to convince the right . Hasn't worked so far. I see hope in those who were part of the problem and are waking up. Their words will have far more impact. Ditto with the women who are now questioning the misogyny of evangelical Christianity.
Exactly. he gets no passes in my book just because trump AFTER the insurrection was a step too far. The Republicans like him got us-and now they bag on the left and think we owe him a conversation?! No I do not.
My exact thoughts when I see these never trumpers, they brought us this nightmare and Adam and Liz etc were very happy to do so and now they have complaints ? Please we are doing our best , but we didn’t have this cancer in our party and never would !
The way I see it is now we need to put the past in the past but not forget the past Trump won the election rather you agree with it or not but now we the people need to steer The ship that is the United States and make sure what gets done to help the people of the US helps all the people of the US
Takes a brave person to stand up against a group he was aligned with and go after a president in hearings…… he also admitted his party veered too far right. Just a thought, people evolve
I personally hoped Kamala would have picked him as a running mate. Not sure if it would have made a difference since way too many people now get their news from right wing echo chambers.
I personally think it was proganda and lies, coupled with buying media giants, funneling everything into internet misinformation that requires no journalistic integrity.
in this situation, trump was a scam caller, and the american public were lil old grannies thinking USPS "missed their delivery"
Why does he need to leave it, he should stay and fight for it, I am not a Republican, I am a registered Democrat. I do not agree with every policy of the party, do I leave it? I would much rather express my opinions and hopefully enacting some change, different opinions make a healthy democracy.
I always ask the same question of these replies: how's that going? We need to call people out for enabling the rise of fascism in the US. Adam enabled it and he has not apologized.
As much as you might be polarized about Democrats/Republicans, the two parties are required to maintain balance in the govt. I connect a lot with liberal voters/thinkers, but yes you absolutely CAN go too far left
People seem to think that they will never change, as if throughout time they were always the same person. the monolithic individual. but people develop and are highly influenced by their environment & experience.
kinzinger does not get my respect for his past, but hes clearly course correcting.
If we vilify everyone who played some part in what got us here, we will have absolutely no chance in making a course correction because of all the bridges we’ve burned.
True. Don’t we argue/debate with the “others” so that they will see the error in their ways & thinking? We will get nowhere if we don’t accept that they finally have.
Read Kinzingers votes on gun control and other votes. He also voted to impeach Trump. He was one of the rare Republicans that actually was for the American people. Look at his voting record before you align him with all the corrupt GOP.
EXACTLY!!!! I said almost the same thing earlier. We can all disagree on politics but we should not disagree on character and morals. He clearly is on the right side of those.
I think that I am arriving at the conclusion that there are some on our side of the fence that rather lose everything so they can complain than engage in constructive, give-and-take conversations that lead to meaningful, sustained change
It’s not so much worship as “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” kind of thing. We need the support of all sane people that are willing to stand up against Trumpism.
I may not agree with all of Adam’s politics but he is a person of character and I respect that. I don’t mind disagreeing with someone’s politics but I do mind disagreeing about morals and character.
Ahhhh it's usually the Rs wanting things to be polite and friendly now. Seen a lot of these posts from Maga lately. About being friends and we can work together. Pffttt
Yay? Like it mattered? They played a long game for power. He knew that and was willing to literally erase separation of church and state. THAT should have been a deal breaker.
Beware of the evagelical feeling of "I am always righteous". The trump clan can never be wrong, so let's not also do that. Passion carried too far is incendiary. I will disagree with Adam and Liz on more than one thing, all while welcoming their ideas and support on how to clean up this mess.
I get your anger, but fascism creates strange bed fellows. In WW2, the US allied with the Soviets because Hitler was the bigger threat.
MAGA is a bigger threat than Reagan Conservatives are. MAGA is the end result of the road they started us on, I'm not arguing that, but blame isn't helpful.
You make a sound argument but it's time to make a hard left - to where our grandparents were economically with their marginal tax rates, strong welfare system and openness to socialism
I'm glad for his soul that his line was fascism. But that does not mean he should be steering this country's ideology in any significant way. Neoconservativism and neoliberalism have died. We have to find another way. Following this dude's ideas will lead to more MAGA. Reaganism created MAGA
If he stabbed me with five knives, and said "But I won't also poison you. THAT is a line I will not cross". He compares favorably to the guys with venom on their knives. Still not enough to earn my trust. If he ever _withdraws_ those five knives, THEN reconciliation. (hat tip to Malcolm X)
Over-simplification is NOT our friend these days. Churchill allied with Stalin and survived, but regretted the outcome for Poland. Trotsky allied with Lenin, and did not survive Stalin. Remember, learn, discern.
I don't disagree with you, and I didn't advocate "trust". Right now the alliance, and top priority, is to resist Trump/MAGA, and that endeavor might include strange bedfellows. I'm sure we can find much to disagree with Adam about in the future.
That's entirely fair. Just remember the long term outcome for Trotsky after his alliance with Lenin ended with Lenin's death, and stay ready for Stalin's endgame.
Low bar. If you really wanna do the whole "they go low, we go high" crap, how about actually going high? In the eight years of Trump being a political figure, we've hardly even made it half way to the "high" point. Two out of the three Democrats who have run against Trump lost.
Crappy excuse. Trump has dementia and anyone with half a brain could see that, even tje median voter. This election would have been an easy win for Dems. If Harris kept the same rhetoric she started her campaign with, she would have won easily.
I would go so far as to say that Adam has been a member of a party that not only ignored racism, but cultivated it as a divisive tool to gain power.
I do appreciate his defence of Democracy, but can’t forgive that.
You don't have like his policies but you have to admire his love of country and respect of the ruel of law, just like Cheney. There are always going to be people in goverment you disagree with, if they don't respect the ruel of law and political norms than they should not be in elected office.
Adam is my republican hall pass. I would've voted for him. We need to form different coalitions to pull together the more reasonable middle, less extremists. Unfortunately Adam had to be disowned by his party him to become who he is today.
Regardless of the American right, I just think it'd be cool to be able to talk or read about politics on the left without having it be dominated by teenagers who think they're deep for thinking '' Capitalism bad ''.
'' The left '' is a broad spectrum too that can have disagreements with each other.
And you don't have to '' abolish Capitalism '' to lean left.
It's that sort of extremism and lack of nuance that leads to annoying circle jerks that are ultimately pointless and will never lead to any real change or political activism that actually matters.
Are they just a list that people compile of people you should block? I don't think I would just block a bunch of people without doing a little investigating on my own. I wish there was a more detailed profile of people on BlueSky so you could be better informed of the type of people that they are.
Same could be said of some on the left.
There needs to be a willingness to listen to both sides. Have healthy debates. Not everyone on the right is MAGA. Not everyone in here or X is from the USA. It's a big world out there.
In the spirit of Adam’s request, please expand upon “like everything else they touch.” Such a statement makes you seem, insincere. Especially in the context of the OP.
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#AdamKinzinger seems to be one. Hopefully there are many more.
I'm still hoping this works out tho..
You might care about that stuff but you're still sick. If you 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 care about that stuff you'll move to the left. It's just what happens
https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/K000378/117
As the great Texas songwriter, Lyle Lovett sings:
"But what would you be if you didn't even try?
You have to try"
“Some believe it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love.”
From The Hobbit
Just as idealistic as ever.
More strategic maybe.
But working in all I do to advance #equality fight #climatechange and #giveback.
Everybody has a theory about how/why they lost.
My personal one is that Trump had ‘better’ sound bites and most media were complicit by treating Trump as a legit candidate for POTUS.
in this situation, trump was a scam caller, and the american public were lil old grannies thinking USPS "missed their delivery"
kinzinger does not get my respect for his past, but hes clearly course correcting.
I disagree with him on many policy issues, but he is unquestionably a man of principles and an abiding loyalty to the Constitution.
The purity tests are so self destructive
MAGA is a bigger threat than Reagan Conservatives are. MAGA is the end result of the road they started us on, I'm not arguing that, but blame isn't helpful.
Look “allies” is one thing. But these neocons are the ones who created the climate for the tea party and then the MAGA cult.
The entire republican project is fascist fertilizer.
And they should be held in contempt unless they alter their phony long debunk beliefs.
Are you sure it helps?
The way you can tell is how many voters listened to the "principled conservatives", which is functionally zero.
‘The enemy of my enemy is my friend’ in cases like this.
#democracy
he doesn't get a cookie for doing the bare minimum for human decency when he turns around and scolds us when the worst comes to pass.
https://youtu.be/CAmtt5q8T30?si=TXF_rIhAyPJHtzEo
just to reiterate, telling people to stop worrying about Trump's fascist agenda is not fighting against Trump.
But the DNC and her campaign were incompetent.
I do appreciate his defence of Democracy, but can’t forgive that.
Please explain to me what a ‘right’ is and where it comes from.
Google is your friend.
Reading enriches the mind.
What do you think a right is? Not looking for a textbook answer either.
I refer to the ‘right’ as a political marker.
Not ‘right’ as in Bill of Rights.
And that’s all I’m giving you.
If you’re smart enough to be here, you can figure that out yourself.
Or for more progressive policies as has happened here in my province with the #BCGreenParty
'' The left '' is a broad spectrum too that can have disagreements with each other.
It's that sort of extremism and lack of nuance that leads to annoying circle jerks that are ultimately pointless and will never lead to any real change or political activism that actually matters.
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Lather, rinse, repeat.
There needs to be a willingness to listen to both sides. Have healthy debates. Not everyone on the right is MAGA. Not everyone in here or X is from the USA. It's a big world out there.