It shouldn't exist. The fact that it does is an indication that something is eternal and that there is something miraculous about existence in general. The impossible has happened. Perhaps it will go on happening
Something from nothingness violates the first law of thermodynamics. Not that nothingness has ever been possible to study. If anything exists at all, there is no chance of there being any space of pure nothingness to study
Who told you there was "nothingness" prior to this universe coming into being? That's certainly not an established fact. It's a religious contention that's irrelevant scientifically.
Your wild assertions, which you seem to think are supported by this article from 2017, are most definitely not. It describes an ongoing study. The subsequent CERN testing referred to at the end of the article revealed a difference in matter and antimatter charm quarks (not the first) ...
Did you? They're not done studying this.
"The universe’s greatest game of spot the difference goes on. The next hotly anticipated experiment is over at ALPHA, where CERN scientists are studying the effect of gravity of antimatter, trying to answer the question of whether antimatter might fall ‘up’"
This is an interesting thread. Many of the arguments seem to overlook the fact that we have very little idea, beyond the fact we all experience it, what consciousness is or how it arises.
There are thousands of documented NDE accounts from around the world that say differently. It’s been extensively studied for decades. Our consciousness is eternal.
Anecdotal accounts are not evidence. A few thousand testimonials (which was noted typically are based on societal superstition), can be explained psychologically. There are reputable studies that explain what oxygen deprivation does to perception that belie such individual accounts.
According to the study, a sudden surge in brain activity at the time of cardiac arrest may be what causes people to perceive a bright white light when having a near-death experience. And many experience hallucinations, so when you die that’s it all she wrote. There’s no heaven, hell or god.
If it makes you feel better believe what you want. I have big issues when people cram it down our throats and try to run our government with it. I say keep it to yourself, that’s what you have church.
I'm truly curious. Why is it so important to you that everyone (or at least some of the people on this thread) believes the same thing as you? Why does it matter so much to you, that you keep hammering away about your beliefs to people who keep responding, "Okay. But I believe something else."
That’s just the term that Dr. Raymond Moody coined when he wrote about it in 1975. Many of these people were indeed clinically dead with no brain activity. You can look into it yourself or not believe any of it. It doesn’t matter.
Consciousness is made up of millions of cortical columns that form your identity as you develop. Once you die, so do these cortical columns and your consciousness ceases to exist. There is no credible research proving that these columns are somehow transferred into some other form of existence.
Being able to observe the mechanisms that create consciousness rot away without any observable mechanism for transfer or preservation is more than enough proof for me to lead my life according to consciousness being finite and not eternal. But I understand the desire to hope there's more.
Exactly. I myself had one and wrote a book and started a YouTube channel about it. Please don't listen to people who don't know what they're talking about. Listen to people who have actually had the experiences, we know. Tired of people calling us liars. It's bullshit.
There are thousands of documented alien accounts from around the world too. There are thousands of documented accounts that people have seen Elvis and Tupac.
Yes, the world was around for more than a billion years before there was life, hell life itself isn't even native here, the ingredients got here during the bombardment period.
Could it be that consciousness remains? I don't doubt that the brain is responsible for generating an adaptive model of our environment, I'm just not so sure the brain is generating consciousness. Certainly, the individual dies with the body, but does awareness?
It's a fact that the brain still perceives for some time after respiration and circulation cease. This is evidence for altered perceptions people have reported prior to resuscitation.
Yes but after the lights finally go out, cud u find that the light at the end of the tunnel is a factory farm. A food animal incarnation? A thought experiment.. a computer capable of accurate simulation of enzymes, metabolites & genetic material, in a molecular detail virtual reality embryonic cell
undergoes cell division & cell specialisation starts to happen. Soon organs form & the bag of virtual reality cells has become a living being. At what point does life begin & end when by the end of it u can return to an earlier restore point 4 the virtual being to live again https://bsky.app/profile/cosmicaffairs.bsky.social/post/3lbw5uacju22y
How do you know that? Has your brain died before and you experienced no consciousness, or are you just stating a belief based on limited science?
Listen to Eban Alexander's story.
Yes, it does! When I had my near-death experience and was out of body, I awakened to a new reality where I was much more conscious and aware. Please don't say this kind of stuff. Millions of people have had ndes as well.
Yes. Thats quite possible. People who took LSD or mescaline have described similar things. Brain function under low or paused oxygen experience something similar to those who use hallucinogenic materials. I don't doubt your perception. I do doubt what you imagine is the cause.
I'm usually saying the same stuff, and if I were to guess I'd guess the same. BUUUT... it is ultimately an unknown. Epistemology and all that (can't know anything for certain other than I think therefore I am - but what am I? And what else is there?) So... We don't know what happens when you die!
Skepticism is important in scientific research. Questioning assertions is how hypotheses are formed. Statistically, they are never 100% proven. But the scientific method helped to bring civilization out of the era of religious fanaticism. Twas a good thing. 🙂
I did. I was agreeing with you that there are things we don't yet understand, and observing that there is a certain level of uncertainty baked into how we analyze information.
We know what happens to your body and brain. And we can make educated guesses that your consciousness does not exist without that. But we don't really even know what consciousness is or what causes it. Like, maybe it's an emergent property of intelligence... But then why aren't computers conscious?
Some people have beliefs which are unsupported (religious or spiritual), such as the brain being a vessel which souls inhabit. Though they're unsupported I wouldn't outright dismiss them with Occam's Razor. They're hypotheses :). And if we dismiss everything like that, secular ethics would be awful.
What I mean by that is if you wanna be purely evidential, then ethics are just whatever makes you feel good (like solipsistic hedonism or something), which makes the term ethics kinda meaningless because then it's equivalent to personal preference and you'd just use that phrase instead.
If you believe that ethics are whatever keeps a society cohesive... Sure, but it's not EVIDENCED ;) that just because some behaviour maintains societal cohesion that it's necessarily behaviour that YOU should engage in. You may benefit from being a deviant, ex: stealing if you won't get caught.
But I personally hate this implication lol. Like, I really want to take care of and be considerate to anyone who's sentient - I don't want to only care about myself or those who seem to share some of my DNA. And, I want everyone to behave this way so we can use teamwork to maximize wellbeing.
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https://cosmosmagazine.com/science/physics/universe-shouldnt-exist-cern-physicists-conclude/
"The universe’s greatest game of spot the difference goes on. The next hotly anticipated experiment is over at ALPHA, where CERN scientists are studying the effect of gravity of antimatter, trying to answer the question of whether antimatter might fall ‘up’"
that's a long time
The point is that oxygen deprivation is a studied phenomenon and that hallucinations or other similar experiences have been explained.
Also, please provide these "extensive studies."
https://bsky.app/profile/cosmicaffairs.bsky.social/post/3lbw5uacju22y
Listen to Eban Alexander's story.