There is a world of difference between a random stop asking for an ID, an unreasonable request, and requiring one when you are verifying age, citizenship or identity, a reasonable one. Your right is against unreasonable s/s not all s/s - ThreadSky

redwavesurfer.bsky.social • 46 days ago

There is a world of difference between a random stop asking for an ID, an unreasonable request, and requiring one when you are verifying age, citizenship or identity, a reasonable one. Your right is against unreasonable
s/s not all s/s

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tulu1791.bsky.social•46 days ago

Ah, yes, the old “reasonableness” clause—because nothing says “secure in their persons” like turning over ID on demand. Sure, the 4th Amendment mentions “reasonableness,” but you’re conveniently ignoring that it’s tied directly to probable cause and specificity.

tulu1791.bsky.social•46 days ago

The entire purpose of the amendment is to limit government overreach, not hand them a free pass to demand your papers whenever they feel like it under the guise of “reasonableness.”

tulu1791.bsky.social•46 days ago

Let’s be clear: reasonableness isn’t a blank check for arbitrary stops or fishing expeditions. It’s not some vague, feel-good standard; it’s meant to be evaluated within the framework of protecting individual rights.

tulu1791.bsky.social•46 days ago

The moment we allow the government to claim any request is “reasonable” because they say so, we’ve already lost the security the 4th Amendment was designed to provide.

tulu1791.bsky.social•46 days ago

And even if you argue that some stops are inherently reasonable (like verifying age or citizenship), the reality is that this reasoning has been used time and time again to justify discriminatory practices.

redwavesurfer.bsky.social•46 days ago

Repeating yourself doesn’t make you right it makes you wrong twice.

Just want to make sure i understand you that asking for identification to verify citizenship and identity to register to vote is unconstitutional

tulu1791.bsky.social•46 days ago

Think stop-and-frisk… think ICE checkpoints in immigrant communities… think surveillance programs disproportionately targeting marginalized groups. You might trust the system to wield this power fairly, but history says otherwise.

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