Also remember by the end of it she flip flopped on fracking, immigration, electric vehicles, federal job guarantees, mandatory buy backs for guns, Medicare for all, and more! It was a democratic capitulation to lobbying funds. Stop blaming leftists and reflect on how dems abandoned their base! - ThreadSky

xbayse.bsky.social • 43 days ago

Also remember by the end of it she flip flopped on fracking, immigration, electric vehicles, federal job guarantees, mandatory buy backs for guns, Medicare for all, and more! It was a democratic capitulation to lobbying funds. Stop blaming leftists and reflect on how dems abandoned their base!

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thelittlestant.bsky.social•43 days ago

It’s not an argument, the alternative was to allow a criminal who is a sex offender and was broadcasting how he was going to repeal basic human rights. Are the democrats a good party? No, but let’s no pretend people who ‘morally’ abstained are at the moment working to create more than 2 party state

xbayse.bsky.social•43 days ago

Look, I don’t like Trump. I think he’s evil. Enough of this. All I am saying is that it’s hard to get Americans to vote (and it has been forever). Accept that and don’t rely on ‘people don’t want a sex offender’ to beat a charged voter base.

xbayse.bsky.social•43 days ago

And I think you’re fundamentally misunderstanding the motivations of voters in this election. In 2024 voters wanted change badly, Trump offered that, and Kamala offered ‘normalcy’ and ‘continuing bidens legacy.’ All they had to do was offer some change. (Justified) Morality bashing was never enough.

thelittlestant.bsky.social•43 days ago

And if people want to admit they voted for Trump admit it and don’t hide behind Palestine. But let’s not pretend that a lot of what’s driving this is intolerance and racism as well as so called economic measures. People hear sound bites that back up their biases

xbayse.bsky.social•43 days ago

I think you have a brain worm that tells you people wanted Trump and are hiding behind Palestine but this is self defense measure put up to ignore that this is all joe Biden and the dems fault for capitulating to capital interests. Put pressure on your party to change (they haven’t since 2016)

thelittlestant.bsky.social•43 days ago

You need to back stuff up with action- not happening. It’s also difficult to accept that your country has deeply racist and bigoted roots (hey Brexit) and it’s easy to ignore global patterns in voting and the psychology behind it. But all this will do is swing the democrat party more to the right

thelittlestant.bsky.social•43 days ago

Oh please, we just went through this in the U.K.

xbayse.bsky.social•43 days ago

The dems acted very similar to labour during eu referendum. These are two sides of the same coin.

thelittlestant.bsky.social•43 days ago

I think a lot of people will argue with you that Corbyn is not the same as the Democrats - however he was pro-Brexit and I’m personally not a massive fan.

thelittlestant.bsky.social•43 days ago

If you’re not going to vote against fascism then you need to look hard at the history of German and wonder about complicity because it’s tacit consent. I don’t accept that argument - speaking as someone whose family was subjected to apartheid.

thelittlestant.bsky.social•43 days ago

You have a responsibility to vote, no one said it’s going to be nice. We have to make hard choices arguing against it that somehow not acting against a fascist is, complicit action. There are plenty of examples that back this up, people don’t like it because it’s an ugly truth.

thelittlestant.bsky.social•43 days ago

I think people need to either accept America for what it is and has been for a long time or actually take action to change the system. I see very little of either of these things.

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