common people love a morally grey folk hero in a david v goliath scenario, all signs point to "we'll allow it" - but thanks for drawing your line for us
Luigi could have achieved more if he’d hit him with a paintball, ruining the guy’s suit & forcing him to miss the investor’s meeting. Probably charged with a misdemeanour & released on bail whereby we’d get a chance to hear his story. Instead, he’s destroyed his own life as well as someone else’s.
It’s adorable that you think the media would have reported it. When was the last time that you saw media reporting on a peaceful protest? They don’t cover them because they don’t want people to know it’s happening. And no, I am not defending murder.
Lobbing a paintball at a stranger is not a peaceful protest-it’s disruptive & still a criminal offence. If it became a coordinated effort to get the message out there that people are fed up with corporate abuse & greed, then, yeah, the media will cover it.
We don't condone the murder of people, it's just that this victim is worth zero sympathy to many, so what may come across as callous. But also if it effects change then it is folklore heroish.
What if the person being murdered had already murdered thousands with the stroke of a pen and was going to continue to do so for a fatter bank account?
Then he should have been subpoena & let a jury decide.
Can you imagine all of us taking matters into our own hands.
My neighbor thinks someone he knows is breaking the law, should he shoot him?
Murder gets spun all the time. Causing death by denying life saving meds for example. Not murder, just business. Gotta make that big money. Shareholders to think about.
What’s really interesting is that all the MAGAs choose to completely ignore the mass social, structural violence and crime that is being perpetrated daily by United healthcare.
It was not murder. It was people delivering the death penalty to a mass murderer, who has corrupted the government so much that the government itself cannot hold him accountable. The only thing left for people to do for justice is violence.
I don't disagree with you. But right now he's legally presumed innocent, pending a fair trial. He should certainly be prosecuted, but fairly and without the deck stacked against that process by prosecutors or politicians.
Yes, it is murder, but not terrorism! Why is this CEO 's death so much more important than anyone else's? Do they really need such a big entourage? This ONE murder has been at the top of the news for weeks already. They don't give a shit unless the victim is some rich CEO.
Exactly! They are throwing everything at him to set an example. Boy, is this a baaaad idea. Why they are trying so hard to make him a martyr, I don't know. Stupidity?
Sorry, not buying it. A mass murder was allowed to walk the streets, when the justice system fails, you can’t be surprised, or feign outrage, when people take justice in their own hands.
If a jury says that sure, but until then the government was making this a show in violation of his rights. Going into Trump 2, we need to heavily safeguard those norms or we will be next.
United Health Insurance used fraudulent methods to deny care. There was no way to bring justice for killing hundreds of people and causing misery for profit. They bought our government so the people have no recourse. Proof? The insurance corporations pressured the Feds to bring terrorism charges.
Wow! I really hope that last part is true! That will only make it worse for them and easier for the defense. Using excessive measures will only backfire - massively.
Killing people with the stroke of a pen isn't innocent. It's murder and murdering people is a good way to get yourself killed. FAFO how much you can screw people over before they retaliate.
I don't think anyone finds it heroic. I do think people understand why he did it. Insurance executives give people a death sentence when they deny coverage. They are killers with legal cover.
When they push people past their limits, one of them is bound to snap. If they didn’t see this coming, that was their own oversight. Part of protecting oneself involves not taking insane risks that can get you hurt.
He gets his fair trial in court. Adding political items such as Adam's trying to shift blame only damages the prosecution. This is the kind of thing that get a case tossed. Its in the courts best interest to stop these things or it will push people to believe its rigged with a sacrificial martyr.
Yes, certainly not heroic. Please explain why he is being paraded around like a supervillain. Thousands of murders occur every year, many on camera. I could give hundreds of example of brutal murders with little if any media coverage.
Thousands die because they can't afford healthcare. While they get million dollar bonuses? It's murder no matter how you look at it. I don't advocate shooting someone, but when does the greed stop? They tried to make me pay for my 20 year old son bill until I threatened to get a lawyer.
That is surely correct, although Manhattan DA has primary jurisdiction over the case. Let’s agree the two mutually colluded to turn this into a circus to take the heat of Adams corruption
Yeah, that plan didn't go well.😂 Seems to me that they don't know when to take the "L". They can't win this no matter what they try. It's too late. The toothpaste is out of the tube, so to speak.
In case you weren't aware, our legal system is based on the presumption of innocence. Adam's not using the word "alleged" could conceivably taint the jury pool and this whole trail.
So the guy who shot the gunman at the church in Texas is a murderer and not heroic? The police officer who shot a gunman shooting at the police station is a murderer and not heroic?
The CEO had blood on his hands and needed to face the consequences.
Of course I don’t condone murder, but desperate people do desperate things. These CEOs are literally stealing from us while they deny care. No one should be surprised at what Luigi did.
It's not about condoning murder, it's about finally making these parasitic, avaricious CEO realize how pissed off people are, and perhaps encourage them to change their odious practices. If it takes a few more of them to get the message across, I'm OK with that.
He set a precedent they should all pay attention to, they have made their billions on the backs of the poor and ill and disabled people who work two or three jobs to survive and these heartless billionaires pay their employees pennies when they could afford to give them enough for a decent living
Not condoning murder. People are murdered all the time, sadly. Now why aren’t all of them taken on this big display of a perp walk with a Mayor in tow? Why for this extremely wealthy health insurance CEO but not for the person who murdered a roomful of school children?
Prove he pulled the trigger first. Then which degree based on determined mental state. Still a presumption of innocence in court (at last for CIS whites)
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“In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC.”
it's really gross.
Can you imagine all of us taking matters into our own hands.
My neighbor thinks someone he knows is breaking the law, should he shoot him?
Wish we would ban the NRA to start with.
You're lucky.
Murder isn’t legal no matter how you spin it.
You're not gonna convince those who've been harmed by an insurance company that Mangioni isn't a hero.
He simply did what people have fantasized about doing.
We see a hero who helps the destitute by harming those who profit
"Hero"
The CEO had blood on his hands and needed to face the consequences.
Of course I don’t condone murder, but desperate people do desperate things. These CEOs are literally stealing from us while they deny care. No one should be surprised at what Luigi did.
Does everyone except Nazis condone that particular murder?