Liberals are the biggest gateway to change that either side faces, be it leftists or right wingers. (No, liberals are not leftists. We can't stand them any more than you can.)
this is hard to explain because you north americans don’t understand that you can be a liberalist and still want to change the world to a better place, republicans want to keep everything the same or worsen the conditions of minorities
society has proven time and time again that humans can’t have+
power in their hands, if you want communism, you should understand that it’s an utopia, i myself understand what communism means, but we can’t get past de socialism part because you need to centralize the power to a few people b4 the equality comes, then they don’t want to lose that power
in theory+
communism should be a good society to live in, but unfortunately it’s impossible, maybe in small self sufficient communities, but not a whole country
russia (ussr), china and north korea are living proof that the transition to communism never happens
i forgot to mention that i live in brazil so our system of government is different, we have right wing and left wing only, all this democratics and republicans bullshit is just to confuse people about their ideals, we should aim for the ones who want dignity and equity to every minority
but they still have to make the economy work, while helping the lower class, taxing the rich
the world we live in and our society isn’t evolved enough to respect and accept the poor being helped, the women and their reproductive rights, etc
your system is just ridiculous and makes no sense
malinformed reformists content with mild social and economic reform with no broad critique or opposition to capitalism and imperialism. at best well meaning yet ignorant, at worst open advocates of western imperialism and genocide
True. Always trying to hold stupid beliefs like individual freedom, equality, the protection of rights within fairness, diversity, and democratic governance. So crazy.
One dictionary definition of Liberal is ‘Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded. synonym: broad-minded.’ I can’t think of anything wrong with someone who fits that description.
What’s wrong with wanting freedom and allegiance to our Constitution and not one man? Of course you think that’s not right. Republicans are for banning what they don’t like and the laws only apply to Democrats.
When you follow the line of left leaning thought long enough, you come upon the decision to either work to fundamentally and radically upend the systems of oppression in our society or... look at the enormity of the work and compromise on those values and become a liberal.
Well, for one thing they intensely
dislike people like me.
Can’t help but notice they’re not
good listeners.
That right there is hard to take.
They’re fun at parties and will
do favors. So there’s that
Well. I enjoyed this thread. Got to block some really offensive viewpoint comment posters and also had a great time looking at some things from a different perspective. Followed
The problem w liberals is that they support capitalism and ergo imperialism, colonialism and all the bloodshed, destruction and carnage that comes in the package.
Malcolm X was the realest person ever on the topic. Liberals will claim to be friends of the marginalized and then tear em apart.
NOTHING! It is conservative causing ALL the issues. Dems are always trying to FIX things like huge tax cuts to the uber rich, and trickle down economic that NEVER help the working class.
Instead of teaching and supervising their own children the Christian nationalists want the govt to do it for them by banning the things they don’t like. They want that even if it means taking away the rights of Americans that are not even remotely harming them. Freedom of religion!
People are starting to get tired of neoliberalism. It keeps the status quo and rarely ever does anything progressive. Conservatives are moving farther right so we have to respond to farther left ideas. Progressive ideas are popular but we don’t have any one pushing them.
I believe that there might be some confusion about where they stand. Unless I am mistaken, they are further left than the "American liberals" which are actually center left or moderate left.
We don't nationalize key industries like oil, rail, education, healthcare, pharmacy and food.
Those areas of society aren't supposed to make money they are meant for a public good, not profit.
Austerity has never worked in a modern economy and lettin billionaires inherited blood money off of slaves
Oh that's quite easy. Liberals endless support of the very things holding back progress are what make you anathema to socialists. You put on this big caring game but support wholesale the destruction of people and the environment backing warmongers like Clintons and Obama.
And yet another socialist American that doesn't understand that USA is a two-party system.
It's getting a bit repetitive, honestly.
USA is extremely far-right. That means liberals has no choice but to vote for the least right-wing candidate. That doesn't mean they agree with everything.
Nothing … two sides to all issues .. Liberals do not subscribe to conspiracy theories like crazy MAGA tin hats
All the mega talk about voter election problems and people eating cats was all Russian misinformation typical Republican bullshit
They're dedicated to nuanced and pertinent change which makes them ineffective against fascism, which works as a bloc that brooks no dissent. It's like 10 soldiers with rifles against 5 with .50 cal. machine guns.
Fun fact, a lot of liberals in Germany tolerated or even supported the Nazi movement........ Liberals in the states supporting Nazi rhetoric from trump and maga, hmmmm something feels familiar here
This doesn’t really make sense because millions of them refused to vote, thinking that would somehow be a protest against genocide. The right stays justifying genocide.
The Democratic Party is made up mostly of capitalist centrists, not liberals. Voting is a civic duty and it’s immature to be a purist and allow fascism to win because the alternative isn’t perfect. It’s also ignorant to think that not voting and allowing a fascist takeover makes you better somehow.
"a miata IS a mazda" snl phil hartman google search blah blah blah
you're confusing "liberals" with "progressives" or "social democrats"... as both the centrist core, and the right wing ghouls, are "Liberals" in the economic sense. Please understand the difference. Call 'em like they are.
We weren't asking them to be pure and perfect. We were telling them to stop committing genocide and gaslighting us about it. Not committing genocide should be the bare fucking minimum, not unachievable perfection.
Dude you're a liberal... I checked out your bio. You're a liberal!!! Also if you're a liberal who gets a hard on for genocide then we'll you're not a liberal. Unless you mean you're a liberal national in Australia cause even though they're call the "liberal" party they're actually conservative.
Here's the thing: It's an honest question, but instead of answering it like an adult, you are full-on swinging on me. My question does not intimate my position whatsoever; you are projecting what you think I am. I don't take advice from strangers. I wanted to know more, but this is what I got.
Yeah, that guy has no clue what they are talking about. Sarajevo was destroyed by Serbian shelling long before the airstrikes (targeting Serbian artillery positions) started.
The United States is currently committing the most public genocide in human history. Kind of alarming to see people still pretending it’s just not there.
The entire Palestinian population, which is largely children, are not all Hamas. Over 180,000 strategic murders of innocent civilians, and killing humanitarian aid workers who attempt to help and the people attempting to receive the aid, is not a war. It’s a genocide.
They are in the middle of a war zone intentionally placed there by Hamas to make it so that Hamas can continuously fire rockets at Israel and no way to stop them without casualties.
They aren’t ‘intentionally placed there by Hamas’. What do you suggest they do to not be in the way? Completely abandon the territory Israel wants to steal from them? Flee within their borders when there’s nowhere safe to go?
Not really- I think we’re all quite aware of Hamas’ actions. I think perhaps you are the one rather unfamiliar with ‘the Israel situation’ & the historical oppression & displacement of the Palestinian people that was going on far before last year, and has only increased in severity.
If you want to learn the history of the area, I suggest this video. It is NOT about current events, but may give you more insight into the geopolitics of the area.
Also, do I have to remind you that regardless of who the war is ‘between’ that murdering a a bunch of civilians is wrong?
Nope you're just choosing to be willfully ignorant. Ignoring the arrest warrants issued by the ICC for Netanyahu and Israel's defense minister for committing war crimes. Israel is under investigation with the ICJ for plausible genocide.
Remember that any info from hamas is a lie and they (hamas) intentionally put civilians in the way. They intend to attack Israel for as long as they are capable.
Well then you don’t understand communism. Communism is the end stage of socialism when the government becomes vestigial and is discarded so it is literally the exact opposite of what you say.
They don't know how to fight. Watch EVERY SINGLE Dem president show up at the "inauguration." I'm beginning to believe they care more about their 5-star lifestyle than the American people.
A liberal administration has been arming, funding, and providing political cover to a genocide for a year now. Im a leftist, I despise maga, but liberal isn't good enough recently.
huh? What did I miss? All I was trying to say is that most conservatives I know vote out of their own self interest, and as a liberal I try to vote for what is best for my neighbors and those in my community (of which white people are a minority by the way). I don't want my neighbors deported.
You realize you’re the one who is saying Israel = Jews, a very common tactic among Zionists. But let’s be honest that just means I want it to be okay to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians while still sounding like a victim. Zionists do more harm to Jewish ppl than anyone else.
Y'all have been throwing anti-mask COVID is over parties for years, y'all think wearing bracelets and safety pins is community care but are proudly anti-mask and don't give a fuck when your preferred right wing party protects the health insurance industry over healthcare workers and patients.
I've been throwing parties? What the hell are you talking about? The only bracelet I wear is my watch and sometimes I will use a safety pin to hold my tie in place when I don't have a tie clip. I wore a mask to work last week because my wife had been sick.
I also started a program to provide backpacks of food over the weekends for children who are experiencing food insecurity. So don't tell me I'm not sufficiently caring for my community.
Not sure if you are missing the point intentionally or if you are genuinely out of touch enough to not know about the blue bracelets, safety pins, & anti-mask "covid is over" sentiment widespread amongst libs who only wear a mask when they think they or someone they live with is actively symptomatic
There's plenty of selfish and extremists on both ends. Neither side is free of terrible people. But from what I gather, the difference in this department is the left want to legislate the help, while the right will likely choose the more personal approach.
Do we mean liberals like how the rest of the world means it (Neo-con centre right), or liberals how most Americans mean it (basically anyone who isn’t a full blown Nazi)?
lol seems like you love following us wherever we go. twitter is dead and now it’s just an echo chamber for you troglodytes. what sad lives all of you dumb hicks must lead. please do continue though, we all love laughing at how stupid you are because you don’t know yourselves. 😂🖕🏻🤡
Please walk me through your thought process towards this reply. How did you see the post by a person called “MassStrikeNow” and assumed they were anything else but anti capitalist?
This is the US - fuck around and find out---According to historical accounts, General George S. Patton often described the enemy with a strong sense of aggression and disdain, famously stating "May God have mercy on my enemies, because I won't.". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS5yfhPGaWE
The term Liberal has kind of lost definition in America. In all honesty most political labels that group more than one ideology together lose too much nuance to be useful.
Hi, not a red hat wearer. Just a concerned citizen.
If I'm not mistaken, the term liberal is used differently in different contexts. In one context it refers to economic agendas. In another, particularly in the US, it can refer to domestic and cultural policies and positions.
The problem I've encountered with this sentiment, is that the lack of distinction generally makes enemies of friends. Because, unfortunately, the two meanings of liberalism are conflated in common conversation. This is only relevant if one intends to effectively communicate with an audience.
the difference between a liberal and a leftist is the difference between "more female billionaires" and "less billionaires". enabling a genocide by looking the other way rather than seeing your oceanic neighbors as people. between pride lights on the white house and razing it to the fucking ground.
Who cares about the conflict in Israel. Both sides are religious fanatics and stopping religious people from killing each other is like trying to stop a dog from licking themselves
Do you even know what a liberal is? Cause it doesn't seem like it. You claim to be a communist but aren't liberal? Do you see how backwards that is? Do you know what a libertarian is? You can't be a communist and not have liberal views
You mean the crazy part where we care about others, think criminals/seditionists shouldn’t be presidents, and figure one may live their life without some moralist intruding? So, yes, I’ll stay with being a liberal. You need to go back to X.
Liberals (or left-leaning) genuinely care for others and we possess a moral compass. We also can exist within a society where people can live and freely practice self-expression, regardless of whether or not we agree and/or choose it for ourselves.
I'm sure after you re-define liberalism to either exclude every liberal who *did* push positive change, or purity-test their changes as "still not good enough", that even looks true to you.
That's the issue with leftists. Most of y'all don't know how to get your hands dirty and make the sausage.
So.... Because I get frustrated with communists for five minutes I'm automatically a Trumper?
The folks I've cut out of my life for supporting that deranged bigot would love to hear I've switched sides and bought one of their dumb hats. Unfortunately, that never actually happened.
They don't??? Right wing parties have voted against social programs basically across the board.
Paid vacations, the 8 hour workday, parental leave, etc (and thats not even getting into free education and healthcare). Were fought for and won by socialists.
Trump voter, earlier this evening.Liberals aren't the problem.
"In the White countries simple internment and extermination would be effective. Globally targeting their food stores and infrastructure would result in the deaths of millions. After a generation of famine we could mop up any survivors."
Liberals and conservatives are two sides of the same capitalist coin with liberals playing the 'good cop' who sympathises with you, feels your pain and stands by and watches while the bad cop beats the shit out of you.
Good question. For the callous, arrogant scum on the right I think the answer would be that liberals still have a sense of decency and moral values and the idea that honesty and compassion are important.
Obviously to conservatives those qualities are an absolute anathema.
Capitalism, from birth, abuses & neglects us, only teaching us how to interact w/ the world via inhumane transactions & addictive consumption, while punishing humane behaviors by forcing humane people to shouldering the consequences of inhumane people’s & the system’s inhumanities
…🧵
When people are almost always sheltered from the inhumanities of the system and the consequences of their actions they live stagnant lives removed from reality
However, discomfort is the root of education empathy growth change and revolution, so these people don’t grow into mature empathetic adult
The outcome of our abuse neglect shelter from consequences as reward for inhumane behaviors and only taught how to interact through transactions and consumption is the creation of 3 types of people 👇
People not internally motivated to behave humanely - the inhumane
People addicted to consumption, value systems, rules, laws, norms, celebrity, & hierarchy over people & entitled to being sheltered from consequences - liberals
Our Constitution in the US was written as an extreme liberal document. Take a look at the Preamble. The whole document is all about limits on what the government is allowed to do.
Subservient to capital interests and let fascists use them as a doormat?
Refuse to have populist messaging?
Can only provide the status quo?
Partisan to a party that wants them dead?
Refuses to acknowledge the system is broken?
Ceding ground to the right ultimately causing a fascist takeover?
No he said you filthy libs try and co opt our movements, language, and water down our ideology. Media literacy and the classic kind as well, are dead for liberals.
The people who spent so long screaming like infants at mainstream voters over single issues that they did more to retard popular uptake of socialist and progressive belief than the Right could ever manage on their own?
You can have a modicum of mediation and less of it, or NO restrictions & MUCH more of it. You helped MUCH MORE of it. Anyone who enabled a Trump win *directly* has MORE Palestinian blood on their hands. I bet you dont even remember that this happened under Trump: https://www.vox.com/2018/5/14/17340798/jerusalem-embassy-israel-palestinians-us-trump
Sorry teenage brained person, fully automated gay space communism believer here. Just one who knows pragmatics and optics always trumps navel-gazing theory and acting like conceited children when it comes to winning votes in the mainstream.
Just a guess, but I would believe it was the threats and tantrums posted on social media that did that. It has been a plague on the image of all Democrats.
ok but you ugly dipshits don't actually believe in "pragmatics" or "optics" you believe in making trump president over and over again by being the worst people alive
y'all call everything "single issues" because you're castrated nonentities that don't believe in democracy or politics. maybe if you disgusting losers had any "single issues" and held your leadership accountable to them you wouldn't have made trump president twice. you're just an awful fanclub.
you disgusting losers just lost an election to trump while running on trump's border wall and asylum ban. you are exactly like your maga allies, same kind of inhuman racist shitstain, same absolute waste of good oxygen.
hope butchering all those kids was worth making trump president again
IM A PROUD LIBERAL! No fascists will stop me from defending this country and all it stands for. I WILL DEFEND IT WITH MY LIFE, blood on the soil!!!! Fuck off nazi scum!!
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society has proven time and time again that humans can’t have+
in theory+
russia (ussr), china and north korea are living proof that the transition to communism never happens
the world we live in and our society isn’t evolved enough to respect and accept the poor being helped, the women and their reproductive rights, etc
your system is just ridiculous and makes no sense
dislike people like me.
Can’t help but notice they’re not
good listeners.
That right there is hard to take.
They’re fun at parties and will
do favors. So there’s that
Oh... was this rhetorical?
Malcolm X was the realest person ever on the topic. Liberals will claim to be friends of the marginalized and then tear em apart.
https://hillcrestcardcompany.etsy.com/listing/577509482
Those areas of society aren't supposed to make money they are meant for a public good, not profit.
Austerity has never worked in a modern economy and lettin billionaires inherited blood money off of slaves
So I don't think both are true.
It's getting a bit repetitive, honestly.
USA is extremely far-right. That means liberals has no choice but to vote for the least right-wing candidate. That doesn't mean they agree with everything.
All the mega talk about voter election problems and people eating cats was all Russian misinformation typical Republican bullshit
you're confusing "liberals" with "progressives" or "social democrats"... as both the centrist core, and the right wing ghouls, are "Liberals" in the economic sense. Please understand the difference. Call 'em like they are.
Here's a list of people in need. Consider donating and sharing so the people in Gaza can survive. Or keep throwing stones from your glass house.
https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:czrfd5lpc2h4jlqlp75heop5/lists/3lbe6gnjf5m23
Also, do I have to remind you that regardless of who the war is ‘between’ that murdering a a bunch of civilians is wrong?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-military-human-shields.html#
weird how Hamas has command centers under EVERY SINGLE hospital and school in Gaza?? but there is never any evidence presented that that was the case?
Liberals are right wing.
and the West Bank
Take as long as you need to find someone to explain all that to you.
And lemme guess, you proudly voted for an administration that's committing genocide.
Nice try.
If I'm not mistaken, the term liberal is used differently in different contexts. In one context it refers to economic agendas. In another, particularly in the US, it can refer to domestic and cultural policies and positions.
If not -- I'm just talking about the natural phenomenon of people conflating terms. Not the ones who are doing so in bad faith.
The conflict is not religious.
The conflict is that of colonialism. The zionist occupation brutalized the indigenous Palestinian people for decades.
Your take is intellectually lazy and dishonest.
NEITHER SIDE WANTS TO COMPROMISE OR WORK TOGETHER... each side believes it is my way or no way
WHAT IN THE EVERLOVING FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
That's the issue with leftists. Most of y'all don't know how to get your hands dirty and make the sausage.
The folks I've cut out of my life for supporting that deranged bigot would love to hear I've switched sides and bought one of their dumb hats. Unfortunately, that never actually happened.
Paid vacations, the 8 hour workday, parental leave, etc (and thats not even getting into free education and healthcare). Were fought for and won by socialists.
Liberalism is at most centre-left.
"In the White countries simple internment and extermination would be effective. Globally targeting their food stores and infrastructure would result in the deaths of millions. After a generation of famine we could mop up any survivors."
Obviously to conservatives those qualities are an absolute anathema.
…🧵
However, discomfort is the root of education empathy growth change and revolution, so these people don’t grow into mature empathetic adult
People not internally motivated to behave humanely - the inhumane
People addicted to consumption, value systems, rules, laws, norms, celebrity, & hierarchy over people & entitled to being sheltered from consequences - liberals
Way more than they love justice.
Refuse to have populist messaging?
Can only provide the status quo?
Partisan to a party that wants them dead?
Refuses to acknowledge the system is broken?
Ceding ground to the right ultimately causing a fascist takeover?
Libs
All you libs in the comments realize you're talking to a communist right?
Not MAGA.
You're talking to the people who walk the walk you talk, the people who write the theory you pull from and whose movements you co-opt.
Also I'm not lib, stop with those slurs.
maybe?
You act like you ran a good race. lol
#BlueMAGA
Ethnic cleansing, just no biggie, I guess?
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/14/17340798/jerusalem-embassy-israel-palestinians-us-trump
hope butchering all those kids was worth making trump president again