And the old talking points aren't working anymore. Anytime someone brings up the Uyghur people or Tiananmen or anything, American's are just like, "Gestures broadly to Palestine/War On Terror/Patriot Act/Climate Change/Oligarchs/Gerontocracy" - ThreadSky

everywhereerica.bsky.social • 43 days ago

And the old talking points aren't working anymore.

Anytime someone brings up the Uyghur people or Tiananmen or anything, American's are just like, "Gestures broadly to Palestine/War On Terror/Patriot Act/Climate Change/Oligarchs/Gerontocracy"

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veleda-k.bsky.social•43 days ago

And you think that's a good thing? It's useful to dismiss Chinese atrocious because American atrocities exist?

everywhereerica.bsky.social•43 days ago

The growing sentiment I'm seeing is, "Hey China, both of our governments suck ass, but y'all seem super cool, and also we're very jealous of a lot of the shit you have."

everywhereerica.bsky.social•43 days ago

Propaganda about human rights violations of another government don't work when your own government is funding and supporting active genocides and blatant corruption.

So they're dismissing the governments, and talking to the people.

everywhereerica.bsky.social•43 days ago

And you're going to have a hard time manufacturing consent for aggressive action against China when 170 million American TikTok Refugees are mutuals with half of the RedNote netizens.

This is absoLUTELY going to have diplomatic ramifications.

everywhereerica.bsky.social•43 days ago

I want to stress again, that Americans hate and distrust Elon and Zuck SO MUCH that they've voluntarily given their data to China, and BEGUN LEARNING MANDARIN TO DO IT.

And they're having FUN.

Whew. It's going to be a wild ride.

everywhereerica.bsky.social•43 days ago

At the moment, there are only 3 social media platforms that I'm seeing TikTokers migrate to:

Bluesky
YouTube
RedNote

Not only that, many are deleting all Meta/X accounts permanently, and arranging a weeklong blackout for those that keep their accounts.

everywhereerica.bsky.social•43 days ago

But Bluesky is text based, and YouTube's algo sucks, so the majority of video based creators are moving to RedNote now.

And many of the Canadian/European/Australian TikTokers are following because they, "Miss the American humor and chaos."

It's gonna get wild, folks.

margrouse.bsky.social•42 days ago

There's absolutely a chunk migrating to IG reels, but it isn't a huge percentage.

odetteroulette.bsky.social•43 days ago

I see this but make sure to note these are several different groups of ppl. Those leaving Facebook because of those fascist assholes are not the same demographic as those on TikTok and aren't likely to migrate to RedNote. YT, maybe.

starstormx1.bsky.social•43 days ago

I also want to say Pixelfed too, especially given they recently launched official apps, but admittedly, there's some baggage with Fediverse stuff, so it may not end up getting as many people as those other three platforms

nwett.bsky.social•42 days ago

DO NOT COME HERE IF YOU DIDNT LIVE THRU Y2K.

zengaian.bsky.social•43 days ago

This is an interesting thread to read, thanks for posting. I’ll BOLO for more info on the migration to RedNote as it unfolds.

sigmundfrood.bsky.social•43 days ago

I didn’t even use TikTok, fucking cacophonous app, but I still deleted my Meta accounts and hopped on Red Note.

crystalsoul42.bsky.social•42 days ago

I keep my FB for the time being mainly for the birthday updates. Can’t remember the last time I posted. My shitter is still up, as well, for personal reasons. Haven’t posted there since…Dec 1? Don’t plan to, either.

justinbougher.bsky.social•43 days ago

When does the blackout start and end? Wanna make sure I log out of Facebook and Instagram when it happens.

sarahesteinberg.bsky.social•43 days ago

This is such fun news. I'd join but i hate videos 😂

sid.shakal.net•42 days ago

As someone who feels the strongest argument for the so-called "tiktok ban" is not the data privacy angle, but the foreign-powers-able-to-mount-a-large-scale-public-opinion-influence-operation-by-stacking-their-algortihm angle, this is definitely an interesting development.

himham.bsky.social•42 days ago

At the end of the day, no regulation has been proposed to make this any harder to do.

And it's also a bit illogical to talk about what China COULD do as if we should punish them like they've already done it.

sarkat.bsky.social•43 days ago

I never really used TikTok (I’m an Xennial. I’m too old for this video shit😛), but this sounds fun.
Maybe I’ll check it out.

athenenumphe.bsky.social•42 days ago

Ohhh...this is why in Firefly people speak a Madarin/English blend. I understand now.

milanasanovic.bsky.social•40 days ago

yeah for the whole 5 min that's gonna last until they get the shakes to need to post some useless shit for everyone to see how dumb they are tiktokers are the most overrated influence & an app if there ever was one

tgirlfifi.bsky.social•43 days ago

massive shift in soft power for sure.

fortunasaga.com•43 days ago

Is this how the Alliance from Firefly got started?

sazeracla.bsky.social•43 days ago

Gorram purplebellies.

aminhnow.bsky.social•42 days ago

Currently rewatching Firefly and have been amused to notice that despite the actual Chinese spoken there aren't ANY actual Chinese (or any Asians at all) in the series.

paint-pot-pete.bsky.social•42 days ago

My main concern with RedNote is the number of queer creators I follow who have already updated their TikTok to say they got banned from RN for just creating an introduction video where they talk about being queer.

hurleyburleyart.bsky.social•42 days ago

I saw that as well.

However after being on RedBook there ARE visible queer creators on the app.

It’s just a different censorship language that needs to be learned.

radialaf.bsky.social•43 days ago

OK, you had me going there for a while but suggesting that Americans can learn Mandarin was over the top. Bubba can't actually handle English. Mandarin? lol. You got me.

himham.bsky.social•42 days ago

If you shed most of what you know about English and study Chinese (in my case Japanese) as its own thing, it's actually broadly simpler than English.

nwett.bsky.social•42 days ago

We call that fraternizing with the enemy.
Usually gets you on really big trouble FYI.

neyru.bsky.social•42 days ago

That only really matters if you want someone else to tell you who your enemies are. Governments determine who "enemy" is on some sort of "us vs them" logic, but the reality is there's just one rock, and we all live here, and there isn't another rock to move to.

melondc.bsky.social•42 days ago

LOL trying to explain to Americans what we think.

missymoo.bsky.social•43 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/missymoo.bsky.social/post/3lfpzdsvyc22e

raphdelrio.bsky.social•43 days ago

Please read a book

frogboi.bsky.social•42 days ago

No they don't. Your fifteen online friends hate Musk and Zuck. Majority of people either don't care, think they're fine or think they're funny/cool and good. Go outside

everaqua.bsky.social•43 days ago

coffeecat.tgirl.gay•43 days ago

mandarin is tricky but I can do ittt

raallen86.bsky.social•42 days ago

Now someone ask what percentage of the Chinese population owns their home outright, vs the US population, and why that is…

justinbougher.bsky.social•43 days ago

How hard is it to learn Mandarin? If it pisses Musk, Zucc, Trump, and the US Government by using this RedNote thing then by God I want in!

hurleyburleyart.bsky.social•42 days ago

It’s not as tricky as English.

Past present and future tense verbs are all the same! Less words to learn! (I’m on day 2)

magpie.tips•43 days ago

It's SO fascinating and the users are so sweet and funny. I was shocked at the posts about why MHA cosplay is not tolerated on the platform. The meme culture is amazing.

nymphicus19.bsky.social•43 days ago

Ok, but the american government did the exact same thing with Russia a few decades ago and you guys still believe in the propaganda anti China? In my country we study this in elementary school, how USA always create an enemy, it’s so obvious.

zweezyrider.bsky.social•43 days ago

You’re a fucking psyop.

cabritomarrento.bsky.social•43 days ago

She's simply reporting the facts

zweezyrider.bsky.social•43 days ago

‘facts’, yes! lol

jvoncount.bsky.social•43 days ago

The chances of conscripting teenagers to fight another Vietnam are considerably smaller when they've been helping their alleged "enemy" with their English homework in exchange for nainai's steamed dumplings recipe

buzogryz.bsky.social•42 days ago

Yeah, as a person whose country was invaded by its neighbor I can tell you that this is absolutely not true.

annakeesey.bsky.social•43 days ago

That’s…silly.

erinnthered.bsky.social•43 days ago

Conscription already existed before Vietnam. It is not and will not come back. Even under Trump. You know nothing of US gov't or culture.

Nainai's dumplings might be awesome, but when nainai's grandkid gets jailed for interacting with American who said the wrong thing, what then?

barrhavenist.bsky.social•43 days ago

chill out, Texas

melondc.bsky.social•42 days ago

They aren't refugees, they're USERS. You are not leaving America and honestly, China wouldn't take a large swath of refugees, ask how many refugees they IRL take. Ask about the camps they send teenagers to when they're "addicted" to video games and social media

melondc.bsky.social•42 days ago

People aren't really "learning Mandarin" to join a Chinese social media company, hate to tell you. It takes about 2-4 years to learn Mandarin and according to the Foreign Service, it "translates to roughly 2,200 hours of dedicated learning time for English speakers to reach proficiency. "

melondc.bsky.social•42 days ago

So come back in 4 years and tell me how all the Tiktok influencers learned Mandarin so they can learn how to censor themselves. And how much money they are making, lol

wizzyprobs.bsky.social•42 days ago

Lol. Chinese people and Americans have always had immense common ground. That's not going to translate to letting China massacre the Taiwanese, so I'm really unclear what your point really is. No one is TRYING to manufacture consent for some kind of invasion of China.

astro-broccoli.bsky.social•43 days ago

I don't know if this is good or bad, but...

ffonar.bsky.social•41 days ago

Are you seriously calling you refugee? You are expats on Xiaohongshu, aka RedNote. So you romanticize others life and overlooks people in struggle

lordtired.bsky.social•43 days ago

The people aren't allowed to pay anything the government don't like.

Come on...

ccollins.org•43 days ago

I take your point here, though what is valuable is addressing actual human rights violations, not so much discussing messaging regarding human rights violations. Human rights violations are important to humans. Propaganda is political messaging for using power.

v01dworks.com•43 days ago

I feel like this is such an important part of this, there’s a LOT to criticize about the governments of both the US and China, but human beings should absolutely be judged by their own character, not by the character of whichever powerful people own the piece of the earth they happen to be born on

cenobyte3.bsky.social•40 days ago

Any science fiction fan who's ever watched Firefly knows China and America merge in the future. We must be on that timeline

lipstickscribbles.bsky.social•42 days ago

When their twenty-something Chinese "friends" start disappearing without a trace, they'll figure it out. Give their attention span a few minutes.

All US problems aside, a rotten core has existed over there for a very long time, and anyone with true connects, business, or travel there knows it.

smilingrain.bsky.social•43 days ago

god i love this i am so obsessed

acallidryas.bsky.social•43 days ago

Wellll.... I don't think I'm necessarily defending US government actions if I point out that there are legit huge human rights violations and suppression of dissent/small-d democracy in China.

beltainelady.bsky.social•42 days ago

It's like when you speak to actual Russian people and find that *gasp* they hate Putin and/or what the gov't is doing too. The people are nice and will even drag you thru the metro to get the right train, even when neither of you speak the others language (kinda like NYers. ..... lol)

triften.bsky.social•40 days ago

"Dismissing the government" doesn't really work when the CCP owns and moderates the platform you are using to communicate. Thinking that you are somehow bypassing them makes the censorship more subtle and pernicious.

gearoidmm.bsky.social•40 days ago

China is already walling off US users so that their people won’t see any content from the US. Posting pretty videos of your city is one thing but if you tried to post an equivalent to this thread on china Weibo you’d find out pretty quickly that certain opinions are absolutely not tolerated.

emperorholly.bsky.social•43 days ago

I’m going to assume that you’ve either never heard of Uighurs or that you don’t care

tflamson.bsky.social•43 days ago

I'm going to assume you've either never heard of Native Americans, black people, Palestinians, etc etc etc or that you don't care

tomduncombe.bsky.social•43 days ago

One human rights violation doesn't ever cancel out another human rights violation.

tflamson.bsky.social•43 days ago

Who's talking about "canceling out"? I'm just pointing out we're still #1 when it comes to human rights violations. USA! USA! USA!

rjnerddad.bsky.social•40 days ago

Of course. No one said that. The thread pouts out it's just not a deal breaker for the US youth because we're no better.

rafael.calsaverini.me•43 days ago

The difference is that for one of them we have tons of evidence of tens of thousands of people dead and millions displaced.

For the other we have propaganda, a bunch of inconsistent claims and pictures of schools.

meamdal.bsky.social•42 days ago

Did you read the thread

plaineview.bsky.social•42 days ago

They did, they're just dishonest

dvosk.bsky.social•43 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/everywhereerica.bsky.social/post/3lfpiqrkcaj23

emperorholly.bsky.social•42 days ago

Oh, so trite whataboutism. How quaint.

ffonar.bsky.social•41 days ago

If you are only things this as propaganda, then you don’t care about human rights

ffonar.bsky.social•41 days ago

*seeing

noupside.bsky.social•43 days ago

So the Chinese netizens are pointing out that their government is involved in genocide? Can you link to those posts, would love to see them. Tiannanmen seems absent from the content there.

nhashem.bsky.social•43 days ago

Irony is despite the OP gloating, more engagement online between Chinese and US nationals would be more disruptive to the CCP, not us. There's a reason why the CCP bans not just US social media apps, but like, World of Warcraft, and is also trying to discourage learning English in general:

menagerie13.bsky.social•42 days ago

both are true. Its almost like humans are just humans and simple active communication between humans makes Government propaganda inefficient

rjnerddad.bsky.social•40 days ago

No one is gloating. Read the whole thread.

It's a fascinating development but the OP isn't saying it's necessarily good.

nhashem.bsky.social•40 days ago

I did read the thread. I don't know how else to characterize this. If you don't think this consists of 'gloating' than that's fine, we won't need to agree.

jwind.bsky.social•38 days ago

That’s because there is censorship, you’re not allowed to criticize the government, the post would be removed.

anthonyzach.be•43 days ago

It’s nice that American people are talking to Chinese people, and here’s to more intercultural communication, but it doesn’t make Tiananmen not matter.

emilyri.bsky.social•40 days ago

Americans are indoctrinated into thinking they live in the best country and most aren´t exposed to any other societies. So any insight into another country, whichever it may be, would be a shock.

spider-skull.bsky.social•43 days ago

just wait til they start granting asylum to US citizens and giving free passports

thevaccinationstation.org•42 days ago

Have these Americans never looked at the rest of the Western world, which has all the things they're admiring plus civil rights and freedoms the Chinese have never enjoyed?

spaceprez.bsky.social•43 days ago

This was a big factor in bringing down the USSR, people kept getting radio and TV from neighboring capitalist countries and were like, "propaganda be damned, I want that stuff"

theotherspeakman.bsky.social•43 days ago

Goes both ways!

marcelolz.bsky.social•39 days ago

Fortunately, nowadays everyone knows how toxic the US government and its propaganda are. Hardly a Chinese person will say: hey, I also want to pay 5 thousand for an ambulance ride.

chowdster.bsky.social•43 days ago

Yeah, the difference is that in America you're not going to be thrown in prison without a trial because you tweeted "Joe Biden sucks ass"

screadnareilige.bsky.social•43 days ago

Oh honey

whatroughbeast.bsky.social•43 days ago

Goofy ass 🫵

benkuchera.bsky.social•43 days ago

You should look up how protesters are treated in the US.

chowdster.bsky.social•43 days ago

You should look up how protesters are treated in Chi-
Oh wait, there are no protesters in China. Guess they don't have anything to protest over there because things are so great 😇

catebridget.bsky.social•43 days ago

there are protests all over China every day dipshit

chowdster.bsky.social•43 days ago

Really? Protests against president Xi?
Mind giving me an example?

shablopligh.bsky.social•43 days ago

Oh, so things suck and people are protesting eh

benkuchera.bsky.social•43 days ago

I was talking about the United States, where we maim, lock up, beat, and sometimes kill protestors. We have nothing to brag about in that area.

whatroughbeast.bsky.social•43 days ago

I don't know how we are meant to square "they have a lovely and superior quality of life thanks to their government prioritizing a thriving human life for its citizens rather than infinite greed" and "so their government sucks... just like ours!!" here

toner56.bsky.social•43 days ago

Hey quick question, do the Chinese people on red note agree that their government sucks?

Or have any single negative thing to say about China at all?

whatroughbeast.bsky.social•43 days ago

Right? Like I think there are some silly assumptions happening here

pipimioden.bsky.social•43 days ago

plenty of em do, they just can't say it on social media because their accounts will probably be banned or their internet connection will be cut iirc, or worse they'll be prisoned.

delita.bsky.social•42 days ago

They complain on other social medias in China all the time, even on their main app, WeChat. They criticize the government, but they don't curse or swear againat any of their leaders, usually, but that's more a cultural thing than them being unable to do so.

whatroughbeast.bsky.social•43 days ago

I don't believe you 🙂

cofactorstrudel.bsky.social•42 days ago

You don't believe that people get in trouble for speaking out against the CPC?

waxmonkey.bsky.social•43 days ago

congrats on buying the bullshit hook line and sinker i guess :)

caren.bsky.social•43 days ago

Chinese bring up Tiananmen?

Really?

justin-the-baron.swifties.social•43 days ago

i think you sort of gave yourself away as a tankie by handwaving away the Uyghur genocide and Tiananmen Square massacre, but generally, yeah, the migration to Rednote is rad and very funny

naughtfollowers.bsky.social•43 days ago

Is this a joke? ⬆️

odetteroulette.bsky.social•43 days ago

That part is a bit disturbing considering the Uyghur and queer community there are still in concentration camps. sigh. It's that short hand for critical thinking, ongoing.

lacewise.bsky.social•42 days ago

I don’t think I would describe people as talking points.

diogeneslamp.bsky.social•43 days ago

Anyone who waves away the genocide of the Uighurs or of Gazans is kind of an asshole. Why would you care what they think

shuadc.bsky.social•43 days ago

Well, you certainly have sold me on the corrosive effect of Chinese propaganda and whataboutism

tstaub.bsky.social•43 days ago

You can talk about the many sins of America in America and on our social media. Can you discuss the sins of China freely on that app?

thevaccinationstation.org•42 days ago

I can't imagine being ignorant enough to believe these things are equivalent to each other. Has anyone asked the Chinese influencers why their government blocks Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube?

ellievargr.bsky.social•42 days ago

I find it really funny that the US and Chinese governments both seem to be floating Elon Musk buying out TikTok, as if that'd stop the exodus to Rednote. Both are friendly with Musk, and both are scared of Chinese and American youth learning they have nothing to fear from each other.

chowdster.bsky.social•43 days ago

How is "climate change" a rebuttal to any criticism of the CCP? That doesn't even make sense, China pollutes plenty too

civilian.bsky.social•43 days ago

What a disturbing dismissal of the Uyghur genocide, “because Israel does genocide too” isn’t a credible stance. It’s just whataboutism.

eev.ee•43 days ago

i think you've misunderstood the framing. it's not "that genocide doesn't matter because another one exists", it's "that country can't be uniquely evil for doing that genocide if my own country is also currently funding one"

civilian.bsky.social•43 days ago

China isn’t uniquely evil, but the Chinese state has ramped up an embrace of Han nationalism and an increasing use of tech to further entrench a police state. China uses this high-tech police state to suppress workers and genocide ethnic minorities—they’re not our pals because their flag is red.

eev.ee•43 days ago

you are welcome to join rednote yourself and explain this to the americans using it

civilian.bsky.social•43 days ago

Not for long likely… you know Chinese users aren’t allowed on TikTok right?

https://bsky.app/profile/violazhou.bsky.social/post/3lfqddrygqk2f

eev.ee•43 days ago

i have no idea why you're trying to argue this with me. i wasn't expressing any opinion on china at all — i was explaining the opinion other people are being said to hold

chikaaago.bsky.social•43 days ago

Lolololol @ embrace of nationalism, use of tech to entrench police state, and use of that police state to suppress workers and ethnic minorities. You can’t be serious. You’re describing America.

civilian.bsky.social•43 days ago

Well if I’m describing America, and we agree those things are bad, surely you can agree with me that it is also bad for China to emulate those things too! Please join me in condemning both the US and China!

palchik.bsky.social•42 days ago

There is no moral equivalence between Chana’s repression of their minorities and Israel’s existential battle for survival against genocidal foes. How many missiles have Uyghurs fired at Beijing? How many Han Chinese have they kidnapped and murdered?

civilian.bsky.social•42 days ago

Even by 🇮🇱’s own estimates they’ve already killed more than 25x the number of 🇵🇸 women & children than Hamas’s Oct 7th attack. If you’re worried for 🇮🇱’s existential survival, that’s not the way to bring safety, peace, or security for Jewish people in the land—it only creates more genocidal foes.

palchik.bsky.social•42 days ago

Unfortunately, I disagree. Israel fully withdrew from Lebanon in 2000 and from Gaza in 2005. Rather than reciprocating with de-escalation, Hezbollah and Hamas used the opportunity to build up their OFFENSIVE capacities. No shelters for civilians, but tunnels for missiles and fighters under hospitals

civilian.bsky.social•42 days ago

Alright you guys will eventually learn what the US learned in Afghanistan, good luck!

palchik.bsky.social•42 days ago

The US had the luxury of going home. Israel has no such luxury.

brrrock.bsky.social•43 days ago

It's not a dismissal or ignorantly equating the two.

But it is a powerful statement to break free from the paralysis that comes with 'that side is x100 worse so I will stay %100 loyal to my side'.

civilian.bsky.social•43 days ago

You don’t have to be loyal to the 🇺🇸 to condemn genocide against the people of Gaza AND the people of Xinjiang. In fact it’s the very islamaphobic rhetoric the US exported during the War on Terror that the 🇨🇳 govt. now uses in justifying genocide of Uyghurs & other Turkic peoples of Xinjiang

threeriversgrace.bsky.social•43 days ago

The Uyghur, are being put into the equivalent of concentration camps. Your dismissiveness is nauseating and deplorable. Only someone who has not experienced life of death terror from being part of a minority ethnic group could be so sarcastic and callous about this situation.

threeriversgrace.bsky.social•43 days ago

But you're a white liberal and I'm a black, female, and progressive so what do I know about being mocked and seeing serious sociopolitical problems waved away by people who share your ideals and look just like your and have the same insufferable arrogance.

threeriversgrace.bsky.social•43 days ago

This issue isn't with the Chinese people, it's with the actions toward their citizens, region, and on a global stage. Enjoy your high horse and the smell of your own bullshit though.

odetteroulette.bsky.social•41 days ago

well said

zota.bsky.social•43 days ago

uhhhhh......

zota.bsky.social•42 days ago

uhhhhhhhh........

https://bsky.app/profile/amberying.com/post/3lfsagdptts2p

speckonblue.bsky.social•43 days ago

I'd be amazed if American Anglos like, "Jen Hamilton" believe Uyghurs exist as a separate entity from Han.
Or if they care for non-whites that are a not "a titular nation"

evanka.bsky.social•43 days ago

This is amazing!

ffonar.bsky.social•41 days ago

Are you seriously about this? We are also get very restricts and may much easier get police harassed to take actions to advocate for Palestine and other matters. I would interpret you don’t care non of the topic you’ve mentioned.

spudfella.bsky.social•43 days ago

I wonder if any other countries are full of chill people sick to death of their fascist technocratic government

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