I dislike the way “cissexual transgenders vs transsexuals” discourse plays out for many reasons. A lot of times the conversation is such that each side interprets the other as an archetype that actually exists and sucks and nothing is gained.
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The “trans person who is distrustful of you and questions your belonging in trans spaces based on how much effort you put into transition” and “the nonbinary person who is cis in every way except labels and insists that they’re super oppressed and calls you transmed if you talk about transitioning”
Like, in actual practice, I’m friends with trans people who don’t medically transition. We share space, we have relationships, etc. and if you were to lump all the people who don’t have medical transition needs under the label “cissexual”, they’re the fiercest allies of us “transsexuals”.
It’s true. I have medical transition needs that other trans people don’t have. That is objectively true. What I don’t get is the notion that the “cissexual trans people” have a unique level of power and authority in the broader trans community, or that cis people respect them more.
I’ve seen the argument that the genders of “cissexual” trans people are seen as more authentic. But like, by whom, actually. I got he/himmed before transition and get he/himmed now that I’m transitioning and it’s been like 8 years that I have gone with pronouns that don’t include he/him.
It’s needlessly antagonistic to pretend trans people who don’t medically transition hold a place of respect and adoration in broader cis society. They really don’t lol.
As a rule of thumb, whenever you catch yourself believing that the person you’re mad at “wants to feel oppressed”, take a step back and consider that you might be incurious about why they feel what they feel.
It's kind of like being bisexual
People think that they can force me into being a Good Girl again, something like that.
I think it could be useful to talk about our differences, but in a way we can share similarities and relate.
The whole "cissexual" thing is just not real in the sense of a "person who is cis in every way except pronouns". It's just a really faulty label that exists to do nothing except proximate certain trans people to cis people, even when by all means they're still very directly adjacent to transsexuals.
it's not a faulty label in the sense that it's actual purpose is to mark non-binary people as Not Trans, the delineation is actually pretty consistently "do you call yourself a trans woman and take HRT", it works just fine for that purpose, it's just bad faith to start with
it doesn't even factor in transmasc people because all this bullshit is just an extension of age old exclusionary transfem bullshit that has thrived online in the last few years
Yeah, but it gets loaded with so much pretense at materialistic dichotomy and the whole "material reality" of one set of trans people as opposed to another, supposedly close to cisness. And this is just bogus, at large "cissexuals" and transsexuals are still very closely materially adjacent.
Like a lot of so-called "cissexual" people literally have body dysphoria, body goals and modify their presentation more than just clothes and hair. Just not all of those involve HRT. In some cases because HRT doesn't help achieve specific goals which are still different from the baseline.
Also this whole line of inquiry necessarily leads to questions about lines between gender and sex and we have agreed that sex is gendering of the body. So is someone who lasers facial hair and exercises for feminine body shape without HRT cissexual or transsexual? This is just not worth litigating.
Everything that could ever happen with this discourse is already touched upon by the terms creator yet it still happens because people don't really care about terms, they just want to good trans/bad trans
I instinctually don't trust people who say "cissexism" because 9 times out of 10 they're not talking about Serano's term of analysising attitudes in society but just perpetuating more ways of saying my experience isn't real enough for them.
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Fucking hell
People think that they can force me into being a Good Girl again, something like that.
I think it could be useful to talk about our differences, but in a way we can share similarities and relate.
Everything that could ever happen with this discourse is already touched upon by the terms creator yet it still happens because people don't really care about terms, they just want to good trans/bad trans