Again though it’s part of the same misunderstanding/misinformation that pretends FoM is a standalone item that can be given or taken away on a whim rather than it being a consequence of being a member of the SM or of where a border is located
For the holiday homes brigade, it's also tied into the psyche of property ownership in the UK and 'an Englishman's home is his castle'. Buying a house vs renting or just having a holidaty confers a set of imagined rights of utility.
Ultimatlely, for the problems of the holiday-home 'Ndrangheta pale in comparison with what Brexit has done to British security, economy, health, standing, and prospects.
What I find "deeply disturbing" is that the WHOLE debate is just about Freedom of Movement of people! And that it's (touring artists aside!) entirely about the ability to visit or stay in Europe without restriction..... Nothing about goods, Nothing about capital, Nothing about services,
That which is affecting the UK economically + so much more is far and away from all that encompasses FoM. In fact FoM practically doesn't figure in the functionality of the United Kingdom and it is THIS fact that burns me so much. It's so selfish an tbh, it's WHY many wanted Brexit.
A fair number of those that I know voted Brexit feel disenfranchised with anything it all means. Yes, many were/are ignorant to the benefits EU membership brought to the UK, but they may have been willing to listen if they didn't feel that many remainers were living a Middle Class elysium.
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Without a doubt. It’s a cliché to say that I fell out with so many lifelong friends due to this. Although in saying that, those were the ones I never fathomed had certain beliefs that are far and away from mine (you get my drift). But the rest that genuinely felt the EU was hampering our
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possibilities as a nation? I tried so hard. I put before them the hard facts and the possible consequences. They would generally be the ones that would throw “it only benefits the better off with their holiday homes abroad” and some of this FBPE didn’t help back in 2019 when there was a chance!
So many people who'd never mentioned EU or even general politics unless there was a General Election that week turned out to be raging Brexiteers....... it soon became apparent that every opinion they held had been formed from reading 3 daily papers...... 🙄
practically zero about Labour......
Every now & again someone will mention Youth Mobility (or whatever we're calling it this month).
But NOTHING on the issues & benefits of Single Market & Customs Union, Nothing on the benefit to UK of EU immigration, Nothing on the costs to business....
The whole discussion is about a few people not wanting to fit in with the rules everyone else faces as routing....
AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the benefits to the UK or the EU from being in the same camp!
It's so depressing to see one of the greatest issues & achievements of the last 4 decades
People now think it was wrong to leave the EU with our politicians (ably supported by the media) actively selling the idea that the EU is a bad thing. We end up having to vote tactically for the less bad option under FPTP, then the winner takes that as a mandate for their anti-EU policy.
Given what’s going on in the US, the more interaction and understanding that is fostered between EU and UK the better for for the (currently) civilised Western world
Without a doubt, although right now, the UK government's divided attention to both the EU and the US doesn't work. As things stand and progress, I foresee that the UK will be forced to make a decision because it isn't compatible. It's within your statement in fact.
It kind of tells us something imo. Indeed, FoM to roam around totally free, using the resources one gets from the idea that is the EU and of course, not paying your taxes etc.
In short, NO COMMITMENT!
Now, let's stop for a second on that one. Did the UK ever display genuine commitment to the EU?
I'd say 10% were pro / 10% we're anti & 80% just didn't give a damn either way because it wasn't something they ever thought about or realised was involved in their day to day lives.....
With people it's difficult to determine what the genuine sentiment was because tbh, the EU wasn't ever really a theme of conversation at all before 2016 and at most it was the lies told in certain sectors of the press we all know for decades.
As for the UK itself, you genuinely don't think so?
Maybe people are mentioning travel because it is a concrete example of an abstract concept. The economic benefits are not clear to many. Maybe one should express it in a weekly GBP amount per household. For regulation, one could point to cleaner rivers or cheaper products if the U.K. rejoined.
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Not about the damage it's doing to this country.
I would love to witness if they would continue to be as vociferous if they gained what they want and yet the UK continued to suffer.
But many I suspect only care about staying longer in Europe without registering.
That which is affecting the UK economically + so much more is far and away from all that encompasses FoM. In fact FoM practically doesn't figure in the functionality of the United Kingdom and it is THIS fact that burns me so much. It's so selfish an tbh, it's WHY many wanted Brexit.
Without a doubt. It’s a cliché to say that I fell out with so many lifelong friends due to this. Although in saying that, those were the ones I never fathomed had certain beliefs that are far and away from mine (you get my drift). But the rest that genuinely felt the EU was hampering our
possibilities as a nation? I tried so hard. I put before them the hard facts and the possible consequences. They would generally be the ones that would throw “it only benefits the better off with their holiday homes abroad” and some of this FBPE didn’t help back in 2019 when there was a chance!
Every now & again someone will mention Youth Mobility (or whatever we're calling it this month).
But NOTHING on the issues & benefits of Single Market & Customs Union, Nothing on the benefit to UK of EU immigration, Nothing on the costs to business....
AND ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the benefits to the UK or the EU from being in the same camp!
It's so depressing to see one of the greatest issues & achievements of the last 4 decades
That is going to become a problem real soon.
It is still under the impression that it has a special relationship with the US.
The UK is still not onboard with the fundamental values of the EU.
The UK doesn’t want to dance. They want the benefits without the commitment and contribution.
That was sadly always the case even when the UK was still a member.
Their preferred strategies are cherrypicking and divide & conquer and they don’t even honour the deals already
That is sadly not the basis of a beneficial relationship.
The UK hasn’t been acting all that civilised but expects the EU to do so.
In short, NO COMMITMENT!
Now, let's stop for a second on that one. Did the UK ever display genuine commitment to the EU?
As for the UK itself, you genuinely don't think so?
And I think there is a wide public understanding that #Brexit has been very bad for the UK economy.
There is a real issue of messaging by the UK's European Movement.