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qichin.bsky.social • 146 days ago

Notch is a racist. Notch is a misogynist. Notch is a homophobe and transphobe. Do not give Notch your support. Do not give Notch your money.

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Original Minecraft creator Markus “Notch” Persson has “basically announced" Minecraft 2.

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ricopin.bsky.social•146 days ago

Notch doesn't work at mojang anymore

qichin.bsky.social•146 days ago

Yeah, but he's the one mentioned in this article as having announced a new game.

ricopin.bsky.social•146 days ago

I think what he wants to say he works on a successor of Minecraft that isn't officially affiliated with Mojang. Mojang cancelled Notch a while ago

pantherapardus.bsky.social•145 days ago

No one is saying Mojang is involved in this. It’s simply quoting Notch himself as having said the game is “basically Minecraft 2”

ravinmaddhatter.com•145 days ago

And notch will probably get a letter telling him he can't use Minecraft in the marketing of his new game or in the discussion around his new game.

And then notch will make a big fuss. Yell some inappropriate things then give up on the game

pantherapardus.bsky.social•145 days ago

That would be exceptionally hilarious and I await it happening.

In the meantime I will happily be tinkering away in Vintage Story, which is pretty much my Minecraft 2. 🥰

iprogramincpp.com•144 days ago

Genuine question: has he made any racist, misogynist, homophobic, or transphobic remarks recently, or are you just hanging on to the remarks he made like 8 years ago? (which are *terrible*, do not get me wrong!)

qichin.bsky.social•143 days ago

I am basing these off those older comments, but also on things like first-hand accounts of him just being a bad person overall (some of which are in this thread), or the fact that there doesn't seem to be anything indicating that he's turned himself around.

ellabellax.bsky.social•145 days ago

Racist?! I’m Latina..
Misogynist? I wanna be a rapper and I’m a girl..
Homophone? I’m pansexual and asexual

Man just insulted my whole life🙏
You know what they say, best games with the worst developers…*cough cough* YandereDev!

whatgoodrnotebooks.bsky.social•146 days ago

Notch and Notch's fans... I made a mild remark about this story on PC Gamer's version of it and wow the replies.

icingandcandydog.bsky.social•146 days ago

The great irony here being he didnt "announce Minecraft 2" he said he's developing again and said he might do a spiritual successor to Minecraft.

Trouble being there's already a million of those.

epi-lnk.bsky.social•145 days ago

Tbh, he did say himself that he "basically announced Minecraft 2", like, those were his exact words when someone asked what that was about

icingandcandydog.bsky.social•145 days ago

Those were his words, but not what he was doing.

Thats the difference between good journalism, and games journalism.

Notch announcing anything like Minecraft 2 strikes me like the Earth 2 boys announcing another metaverse.

system509.bsky.social•146 days ago

I knew about the trans stuff, the rest is news to me? 0_0

sapphaholic.bsky.social•146 days ago

Why is Notch announcing this anyway? I thought his horrible ass hasn't been involved with Minecraft for something like ten years--after which the game started to vastly improve.

threephasebandit.bsky.social•146 days ago

Being a billionaire wasn’t fulfilling and he doesn’t have any new ideas, my guess is he’s going to steal a bunch of ideas from modders and roll them into a “new” base game.

datashade.bsky.social•146 days ago

I might be hallucinating this but I remember reading an interview with him, like, just after his wife left him, and he'd just sunk tens of millions into remodeling his home and he had a room set up like a fancy candy store and the interviewer tried some and it was all stale

datashade.bsky.social•146 days ago

didn't hallucinate all of it

threephasebandit.bsky.social•146 days ago

Yep! I definitely remember that.

Sad af.

rilder.bsky.social•146 days ago

I never got around to even buying the first minecraft, why would I bother, if I buy a minecraft like game I'll get Vintage story

98sgderek.bsky.social•145 days ago

What would be the Alternate Game to Minecraft 2? (Besides Vintage Story which I just learned about)

clayote.itch.io•145 days ago

Terasology or Luanti, both free and open

The future of block builders should belong to the people

hauntcouture.bsky.social•145 days ago

the good news is that his track record is giving up almost immediately. Jeb is the main reason minecraft ever became as engaging as it did

hauntcouture.bsky.social•145 days ago

oh lol this is absolutely not happening

helenangel.bsky.social•145 days ago

Can confirm that it was and is Jeb. He is also one of the most humble and creative people I have ever had the pleasure working with. I genuinely only have good things to say about him.

hroethgar.bsky.social•146 days ago

mein kraft

threephasebandit.bsky.social•146 days ago

Banger

filarthedragon.bsky.social•145 days ago

Exactly what I’m saying, why are people pretending he’s cool and based?

mxbunnycatter.bsky.social•146 days ago

I'm honestly surprised people are still listening to the former Minecraft guy😂

I honestly kind of just forgot he even existed, after his sellout to mickeysoft

wolfcl0ck.bsky.social•143 days ago

In Notch's Minecraft 2, you play as a lone character that spawns inside a 2 billion dollar beverly hills mansion with a candy dispenser room and a single-person bed.

ghalorus.bsky.social•146 days ago

im a terraria person

tmajor.bsky.social•146 days ago

Notch is trying to become relevant again after being shunned from every gaming space for being a total awful loser. Yeah no thanks buddy!!

boozegetsmethrough.bsky.social•146 days ago

Well, there's one gaming circle that would likely accept him with open arms, if only he has the courage to make the protagonist have massive tits that are out at all times.

urzaz.bsky.social•146 days ago

*10 seconds later*

"Notch has betrayed us, and is now our enemy—"

harrimanfox.bsky.social•146 days ago

no way, Notch-Futuristichib collab?

lemonsdabirb.bsky.social•146 days ago

He's gonna find out real fast that he can't capture lighting in a bottle twice

tinselfire.bsky.social•146 days ago

I once was in a game dev teambuilding exercise where people were tasked to compliment eachother, and this guy said "you are the next Notch" and nearly got punched in the face.

tinselfire.bsky.social•146 days ago

To specify, this was in either 2012 or already in 2011. For people in the know Notch didn't go bad - he just got worse.

peepos.bsky.social•146 days ago

When I didn't know better I had good feelings towards him around that time--what was known about him before he became more openly reactionary?

tinselfire.bsky.social•146 days ago

Notch can't write "real" code, so he looked for validation elsewhere when he wouldn't get it from people who took programming seriously, and how easily that went was a red flag.

tinselfire.bsky.social•146 days ago

I should specify something, though. I'm not myself "in the know", and I wasn't personally there. This is stuff going on on game dev forums in the 00's between people studying discrete mathematics and habitually shitting on Java.

mgjertson.bsky.social•139 days ago

can someone please tell me why people like that stupid language?

yagirlautumn.bsky.social•145 days ago

'Minecraft 2' is fundamentally a dead creative endeavor, there's no logical next step of minecraft's concept, you can't just do more of the same thing because you don't have a story to continue or a gameplay loop to expand on, he would just be making Minecraft again but different

idyl-wild.bsky.social•145 days ago

Thank you for this thread, I can't believe I hadn't heard of this sooner. What a collosal piece of shit. I'm off to go try out Vintage Story now!

softpup.bsky.social•146 days ago

Also even if you are someone that will pretend he’s fine. They spent the last ten years trying to fix the mess of code he left behind. Minecraft 2 will literally never be better than 1

makitstop.bsky.social•146 days ago

i will say, i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here IIRC he hasn't really expressed those views in around a decade

a lot can change in that time people can grow and mature and we don't know if he still holds these views

like just this announcement goes against another belief he held

skeleto.bsky.social•146 days ago

Now tell that to every 11-20 year old, and sadly you're not going to get a great response. the truth of the matter is, Minecraft is a gaming phenomenon, and to get the younger people to not play it would require a huge amount of effort. I know I stopped Minecraft years ago.

lexistenti.al•146 days ago

he isn't involved with minecraft and hasnt been for over a decade

rithmalfortele.bsky.social•146 days ago

Nobody's trying to get people to stop playing Minecraft. This is just a warning not to support Notch's projects (which no longer includes Minecraft)

abluehairedfox.bsky.social•146 days ago

Trying to get kids to do anything is like herding cats, but if those cats also did the exact opposite of what you told them to do while staring you down.

lufinabina.bsky.social•146 days ago

article mentions "original minecraft creator" and I don't see Miku's name anywhere, thats how I know they're not serious

entransify.poke.social•146 days ago

that meme died when the creator of that meme was called out herself for also being awful. please don't repeat it anymore.

deathcoaster.bsky.social•146 days ago

Terminal online disease I fear, this is not knowledge that should be retained

44nifty.com•143 days ago

oh my god who the hell cares

bantermantra.bsky.social•146 days ago

Nobody is safe from being milkshake duck'd.

Honestly it's starting to feel like a law of the internet.

jethanded-wyvern.bsky.social•146 days ago

When the hell did that happen, over what?

chopman.bsky.social•146 days ago

bro who gives a fuck, saying hatsune miku made minecraft isn't an auteur joke, it's just a funny thing that anyone could've come up with. i don't, and seemingly you don't, even know the name of the person who came up with it. it's irrelevant. L + you have the catholic church loli as your pfp

live.from.roys.house•146 days ago

wait, who called out hatsune miku for what

lilianauwu.bsky.social•146 days ago

ironic that the Luce profile picture is saying that

ameliacaris.bsky.social•146 days ago

tbh i dont even think gaming news sites need to be covering his announcement! unless its to point out that he's the kind of person to use a new game as a way to try and wipe clean a record of being an active shitstain theres no benefit to journos giving him space

boozegetsmethrough.bsky.social•146 days ago

I hope MS sues him into oblivion

irayathecool.bsky.social•146 days ago

it's a good thing Gamers™ are also misogynist, homophobic, and transphobic!

dragonsforce.bsky.social•145 days ago

Notch is also a terrible coder.

kozufox.bsky.social•146 days ago

He's also just really bad at delivering a finished, professional product. Minecraft took off because it was a cool idea and people had low expectations for indie games, but the only reason it managed to get out of beta is because the people he brought on were much better at making games than him.

mistakrabs.bsky.social•146 days ago

Yep and trying to make a follow up is fairly pointless at this point due to the saturation of the market with more particular survival crafting games. A very generalized survival game kicking off the genre was perfect, but now people want (and have) an endless array of more refined specific choices

cyanlol.bsky.social•146 days ago

him selling the game to Microsoft was both a blessing and a curse

pillownyan.bsky.social•146 days ago

you know, i was thinking the same thing. theres no way this is gonna turn out to be a good game anywhere near the scale of minecraft

gryphman.bsky.social•146 days ago

I mean hell, I remember a bunch of multiplayer game modes he had planned way back when it was still in alpha. None of that shit ever happened lol

kozufox.bsky.social•146 days ago

Yep, and there was that long stretch of time where we got basically no updates, to the point where one of the most popular mods at the time was called "better than wolves" as a jab against him promising a big update and then only adding wolves to the game.

midnightmass.bsky.social•146 days ago

in the good timeline Zachtronics ended up making Minecraft

maplepony.bsky.social•146 days ago

Now THAT is a version of minecraft I would actually fucking play

boshyboo.bsky.social•145 days ago

And the infiniminer team were all millionaires somehow

jade.moe•143 days ago

Jeb is not Minecraft's stepdad. he's the Minecraft's dad who stepped up.

ravencitymirevt.vtubers.social•145 days ago

I feel like even now, the fans are better at developing the game than actual developers. I’ve seen people put in all new mobs that fit way better than some of the ones we do have.

applettbax.bsky.social•146 days ago

I was already thinking this stuff and the fact that just in general, nothing will ever stop me from playing normal Minecraft. I love my game I grew up with, nothing can ever stop that.

aridreamgoat.bsky.social•145 days ago

Didn't he get kicked out of the team for exactly those reasons? Can he even use the franchise?

brudast.bsky.social•145 days ago

I think he did say that it's supposed to be a spiritual successor, so he's not literally trying to make mc 2

femfreyanyctofile.bsky.social•146 days ago

I feel like this won't be appreciated by many of you but reading the things notch has said about trans people is transphobic, but moreso uneducated. I have a feeling that if people would actually talk to him about these things instead of slapping a *transphobic* him, he might change for the better

fenrin2.bsky.social•146 days ago

In a place like Twitter, that isn't going to happen, the website culture simply doesn't allow it as a full-scale bigot like Notch has a large following of other bigots that can go hooting and hollering at the few leftists trying to say anything. Besides engagement farming.

fenrin2.bsky.social•146 days ago

Like, this would be on the level of going to 4chan's pol and trying to convert people there, there's simply too much mass pushing in the other direction. Notch isn't a rural-fried boy who's never met an openly trans person in their life and can be slowly introduced to these concepts carefully.

kozufox.bsky.social•146 days ago

Didn't he go full Qanon a while ago? Like, he isn't just an ignorant transphobe, he's gone on rants about Jewish people and other completely unhinged shit.

argonianmage.bsky.social•146 days ago

Basically he's an utter moron, like the type that can't and won't learn no matter how much you try

emilylorange.bsky.social•146 days ago

Its been like 12 years he's had plenty of time as a comfortably wealthy adult to figure his shit out.

femfreyanyctofile.bsky.social•146 days ago

Yeah btw to anyone still seeing this, I ath been corrected

skywitches.net•146 days ago

He actively helped the Reddit encampment of Kiwifarms. He deserves to be sued into pennilessness and jailed. Thanks you for having an open mind to why Not h deserves negative infinity credit

sharpie.zone•146 days ago

that would have been the case maybe ten years ago but at this point the man is too far gone

femfreyanyctofile.bsky.social•146 days ago

Having read other comments, it sadly seems like this is the case. Really sucks

sharpie.zone•146 days ago

yeah the saddest thing is that it seems like he used to be a pretty decent guy, but he just fell into misery and the right wing

femfreyanyctofile.bsky.social•146 days ago

The uneducated to far right pipeline sucks :(

qichin.bsky.social•146 days ago

If it were a single isolated incident, that would be one thing. But he has managed to walk himself into every single right-wing talking point concerning minorities. This is a clear pattern of not wanting to be educated, and instead being dismissive or hateful first.

shino1.bsky.social•145 days ago

Notch is also a hack who got lucky because he's took his formula of adding infinite procgen worlds to established games and struck gold adding it to Zachtronics Infiniminer (and then copied basic survival mechanics from roguelikes).

Play his other games and you will see.

shino1.bsky.social•145 days ago

Infinite Mario Bros released two years before Spelunky, but it didn't catch on because it's fucking terrible and it's hard to play it for more than 10 minutes because you'll die on boredom. Making Mario boring is a really hard task.

ohnoanotherputz.bsky.social•145 days ago

Yup, fuck Notch.

corvak.bsky.social•146 days ago

Yeah but the more places that cite him for saying “Minecraft 2” the more Microsoft lawyers get on his ass about trademark law

punishedfelix.com•146 days ago

does anyone even care about Notch anymore after he sold out anyways. him selling minecraft to Microsoft was like the biggest fuck you to the entire indie gaming industry. Obviously fuck him for his shit political opinions too but theres literally no reason to defend this guy

yetmorebees.bsky.social•145 days ago

also this game is Never gonna happen right? Like this is just gonna turn into another grummz patreon grifting situation forever and ever

ink-blotch.bsky.social•142 days ago

Would rather play the original anyway since the modding scene is so fun.

nolram.bsky.social•146 days ago

Is he? I have heard this for years, but I never knew of any source for these claims besides a handful of deleted tweets. I’m genuinely curious here where this info is from!

nefnoj.bsky.social•146 days ago

He's known for being a homophobe and transphobe, and from that I naturally assume misogynist, but I never knew about being racist. With how often controversy stems from big name people, I wouldn't be surprised but am equally curious from where it's come from.

setsune.bsky.social•146 days ago

Former community manager from 2 days ago: https://bsky.app/profile/helenangel.bsky.social/post/3lewr66j4nc2y

With Microsoft for years before, worked at Mojang for 5 years, joined less than a year after the sale (and no, people like Notch don't stop being a headache after they sell off), knows the legal seriousness of statements like this.

nolram.bsky.social•145 days ago

That's really interesting to hear! Did Helen work with him? Or where is this actually coming from? I know he is KNOWN for these things, but I'm just curious what the source is, since he hasn't particularly said much publicly other than one tweet some years ago.

setsune.bsky.social•145 days ago

Yeah, we're not doing this sealioning nonsense. You're not actually interested in answers, you just want to cast doubt on the accusations.

nolram.bsky.social•145 days ago

No I really am interested! I just want to know what the source of the accusations is, whether it's a first party account or not. I have heard about these claims for years, so I was curious where they're from.
I don't doubt Notch is not a good person; no good person buys a mansion in Beverly Hills.

nolram.bsky.social•145 days ago

I take stuff like trans & homophobia very seriously, so I just want to make sure that the claims aren't unfounded before I banish someone out of my life entirely. And in the past, all I've seen were some vague tweets; a good indicator, but not enough for me to definitively discard him.

spaghetti.expert•146 days ago

it would be so so so much worse than minecraft 1 too lol. A corporate team of people has been working on this thing for a decade.

kammyjammy.bsky.social•145 days ago

while i agree, and he cant really take his comments back. i also think hes just a dumbass really. the whole Qanon debacle proved he reads something and instantly believes it without doing independent research, evidenced by going on an transphobic rant and then apologizing half a year later.

itsmeess.bsky.social•145 days ago

Such a hollow apology too, his tweets are still up, they're still right there

qichin.bsky.social•145 days ago

At this point, being a famous, rich, reactionary dumbass with a following who buys into every bigoted thing he happens to come across without a second thought makes him actively dangerous.

kammyjammy.bsky.social•145 days ago

i agree, but unfortunately hes not the only one so inevitably hes gonna get a pass because its becoming accepted behavior

jthomasalbert.bsky.social•146 days ago

I got into an argument with him on the bird site about removal of confederate statues from public spaces.

He insisted they should stay there.

meguminightmary.bsky.social•145 days ago

I mean Minecraft is the best selling game ever and is still being supported to this day- Notch is going to be competing with it... there is no winning

unrealpanda.bsky.social•146 days ago

Dont forget antisemite, I know its hard to remember with the absolute amount of shitty things he is

gamma1095.bsky.social•146 days ago

oh damnit all, I hadn't heard about any of that. How disappointing that someone who made such an influential and beneficial game turned out like that. It's not surprising cause that happens so often but man, still a bummer.

sekhithefops.bsky.social•146 days ago

Wait... CAN he do that? I thought he sold all the rights to Microsoft. Like, ALL of them.

coil.bsky.social•146 days ago

No, what he actually announced was that he's "enjoying making games again". And assuming that the next thing he makes will be just as successful as Scrol–sorry, as Minecraft was.

sekhithefops.bsky.social•146 days ago

Oh well okay then.

egotolegend.bsky.social•145 days ago

Info? You can’t just make allegations without sources? This isn’t Twitter/X

helenangel.bsky.social•145 days ago

I can confirm. I was the first community manager for Minecraft at Mojang. I was the one who had to deal with the fallout when he would say something awful on social media—even though he hadn’t worked on Minecraft in years. Parents would send angry emails to me about his tweets/posts.

mattmontes.bsky.social•145 days ago

and that's just one of them
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/online-conduct-leaves-markus-notch-persson-out-of-minecraft-10th-anniversary/

egotolegend.bsky.social•145 days ago

Thank you for the info, albeit disappointed that it wasn’t from the person I ask the question too, because we need to stop this trend, if we are going to make claims about something, we need to do the bare minimum and back it up with a source, not expect others to do the work for them

kingsneak.bsky.social•145 days ago

to be fair it's pretty well known and not really a secret, googling it you won't have a hard time to find sources as well

mattmontes.bsky.social•145 days ago

in their defense, the post have many replys they could just not see it

egotolegend.bsky.social•145 days ago

I was referring to them leaving a link in there own post, so if anyone ask the link is in the replies

qichin.bsky.social•145 days ago

You are correct. While these things have been going on for several years and I meant this post more as a reminder rather than as news, I should do due diligence.

Though also I was asleep while this whole exchange happened.

egotolegend.bsky.social•145 days ago

Yeah no worries

mattmontes.bsky.social•145 days ago

i have to say its soo good see the people here just talking intead of accusing, screaming and fighting

the-thirstiest-mawile.com•146 days ago

He's a complete garbage coder and should shut his stupid bigoted face.

mgjertson.bsky.social•139 days ago

I mean, anyone who decides to write a PC game in Java should automatically be assumed to be not very good at it

objectivebitter.bsky.social•145 days ago

chances are he's probably gonna drop the project after a bit since he's pretty notorious for cancelling games cause he got bored developing them

pine0wlple.bsky.social•146 days ago

\o
May I ask for some context?

wy477.bsky.social•146 days ago

He posted some pretty uncool stuff on Twitter/X some years back ranging from "Pretty uncool" to "Very uncool."

It's all old stuff, BUT he's not (to my knowledge) ever apologized for those comments or rescinded them, so as far as the public is aware he still holds them to be true, just quietly.

rivertheplushie.bsky.social•146 days ago

There’s also like a thousand Minecraft clones out there many of which are quite fun so I don’t think anyone’s clamoring for more.

studio-faewilds.bsky.social•146 days ago

Out of all of them I personally really hope vintage story gets the recognition it deserves. (minecraft survival mode if it weren't creative mode on hard difficulty but were an actual survival mode)

It has a proper modding api and half of it is open source.
One day soon hopefully.

fullblownwoman.bsky.social•146 days ago

vintage story is the best survival crafting game i’ve ever played and it’s not close

studio-faewilds.bsky.social•146 days ago

Yeah because it’s the only survival game that actually cares about survival long term. 100% agree

creytaceous.bsky.social•146 days ago

Also Notch is a nazi.

laxjohnny.bsky.social•146 days ago

There's already Minecraft 2 anyway and it's called Vintage Story.

stardustneon.bsky.social•146 days ago

It’s true, and you should say it.

sensualkazoo.bsky.social•145 days ago

Minecraft 2 is the modding community.

luciuscaesarkk.bsky.social•145 days ago

It's been blowing my mind how everyone is covering this without mentioning the part where he's practically a Nazi.

nobleheroine.bsky.social•146 days ago

Notch doesn't own any of the Minecraft copyright.
Couldn't he be sued for this?

lordseraphicat.bsky.social•146 days ago

Oh I sure hope so. I remember him and his (then) company, Mojang, had some legal trouble with another of their potential properties.

demikane.bsky.social•146 days ago

I remember calling out Notch's bullshit years before he decided to go full chud and I had people attack me for it.

woemposting.bsky.social•146 days ago

fine but that ain’t stopping us from playing *swashbuckling occurs*

scholarlycowboy.bsky.social•146 days ago

I don’t pay Minecraft, but I imagine it’s a lot like Tetris, where it will break if anything core to it is changed. So good fucking luck, notch.

makitstop.bsky.social•146 days ago

nope, actually a lot of people consider minecraft way better with stuff like mods, and there's even another spiritual successor called vintage story which changes up the formula a ton, and has gotten pretty damn popular

scholarlycowboy.bsky.social•146 days ago

I stand corrected.

threephasebandit.bsky.social•146 days ago

Like what could he possibly come up with for a sequel that a modder hasn’t already added to the original?

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